What happened to the immigration thread?

[randylahey]

But your brand of libertarianism allows for the government to force individuals to get IDs, even if they don’t want to. Got it.

In a dream scenario, we wouldn't have an ever expanding government always finagling ways to expand their control and power. We wouldn't live in a country flooded with millions of illegal immigrants trying to be coerced into voting. We wouldn't need IDs for many things. But we need to secure our elections. Otherwise government will continue to do shady things to keep the people they want in office

[zsn]

You know what is the first prerequisite for government doing shady things to keep the people they want in office? Fearmongering about the dangers of “other people”. We did this with the Native Americans in the 18th and 19th centuries, with African Americans in the 19th and 20th. Germany tried it in the 1930s.

You’re not libertarian. You’re fascist. What is the distance between “everyone must carry an ID” and “some must wear outward signs on their clothing”? Ihre Papiere, bitte.

[JKLivin]

You know what is the first prerequisite for government doing shady things to keep the people they want in office? Fearmongering about the dangers of “other people”. We did this with the Native Americans in the 18th and 19th centuries, with African Americans in the 19th and 20th. Germany tried it in the 1930s.

You’re not libertarian. You’re fascist. What is the distance between “everyone must carry an ID” and “some must wear outward signs on their clothing”? Ihre Papiere, bitte.

Ridiculous level of hyperbole.

[jfish26]

Your guy plans to put 10,000,000 people in concentration camps.

[Overlander]

I've always said any citizen should be able to get an ID for free. I think it's alarming that, even being in poverty, you can't get far enough ahead to pay for your own ID. A homeless drug addict could panhandle for a couple hours and get enough money for that. See it happen all the time. If you are an adult who has truly made such a mess or your life that you genuinely can't afford an ID, I can't imagine you're going to be making an informed vote or be the kind of person we should be counting on to elect leaders. But everyone should always have the right to vote. And if an ID is the hurdle, make them free. Because we've seen foul play in elections, and IDs have become necessary

Holy fuck! That is a hell of a circle you are spinning there!

[twocoach]

I've always said any citizen should be able to get an ID for free. I think it's alarming that, even being in poverty, you can't get far enough ahead to pay for your own ID. A homeless drug addict could panhandle for a couple hours and get enough money for that. See it happen all the time. If you are an adult who has truly made such a mess or your life that you genuinely can't afford an ID, I can't imagine you're going to be making an informed vote or be the kind of person we should be counting on to elect leaders. But everyone should always have the right to vote. And if an ID is the hurdle, make them free. Because we've seen foul play in elections, and IDs have become necessary

You're gross but yes, they should be free if required for voting.

[randylahey]

Since you for some reason want to bring native Americans into an immigration discussion... I bet native Americans wish they had secure borders and were able to stop millions of foreigners from invading their countries. And had a process of deciding who they allowed in and integrated into their culture

[twocoach]

You know what is the first prerequisite for government doing shady things to keep the people they want in office? Fearmongering about the dangers of “other people”. We did this with the Native Americans in the 18th and 19th centuries, with African Americans in the 19th and 20th. Germany tried it in the 1930s.

You’re not libertarian. You’re fascist. What is the distance between “everyone must carry an ID” and “some must wear outward signs on their clothing”? Ihre Papiere, bitte.

Ridiculous level of hyperbole.

Trump wants to use the military to go into communities and pull people out who are undocumented, which can only be done by violating the civil rights of millions of US citizens. He has also stated that he would "make it OK" for armed civilians to do it which is insane.

It's not hyperbole. It is what Trump has stated he will allow.

[JKLivin]

You know what is the first prerequisite for government doing shady things to keep the people they want in office? Fearmongering about the dangers of “other people”. We did this with the Native Americans in the 18th and 19th centuries, with African Americans in the 19th and 20th. Germany tried it in the 1930s.

You’re not libertarian. You’re fascist. What is the distance between “everyone must carry an ID” and “some must wear outward signs on their clothing”? Ihre Papiere, bitte.

Ridiculous level of hyperbole.

Trump wants to use the military to go into communities and pull people out who are undocumented, which can only be done by violating the civil rights of millions of US citizens. He has also stated that he would "make it OK" for armed civilians to do it which is insane.

It's not hyperbole. It is what Trump has stated he will allow.

Drastic problems call for drastic solutions. It’s a more restrained approach than what I would take.

[twocoach]

Ridiculous level of hyperbole.

Trump wants to use the military to go into communities and pull people out who are undocumented, which can only be done by violating the civil rights of millions of US citizens. He has also stated that he would "make it OK" for armed civilians to do it which is insane.

It's not hyperbole. It is what Trump has stated he will allow.

Drastic problems call for drastic solutions. It’s a more restrained approach than what I would take.

You can go right on ahead and go fuck yourself with that. Anyone OK with rolling the military and armed bands of racist thugs against citizens is a traitor to our country and the Constitution.

[twocoach]

Now make a list for all the things you DO need an ID for and tell me why voting wouldn't make more sense than most of them

You make the fucking list since you're claiming it's so long. Voting is the ONLY time I can recall using my drivers license to prove who I am in the last 3 months.

And whatever is on your list, voting is likely the only thing on that list that is a fundamental right protected by the Constitution.

[jfish26]

I've always said any citizen should be able to get an ID for free. I think it's alarming that, even being in poverty, you can't get far enough ahead to pay for your own ID. A homeless drug addict could panhandle for a couple hours and get enough money for that. See it happen all the time. If you are an adult who has truly made such a mess or your life that you genuinely can't afford an ID, I can't imagine you're going to be making an informed vote or be the kind of person we should be counting on to elect leaders. But everyone should always have the right to vote. And if an ID is the hurdle, make them free. Because we've seen foul play in elections, and IDs have become necessary

Holy fuck! That is a hell of a circle you are spinning there!

The “foul(est) play” in American election history was when his dude tried to disenfranchise 81 million voters, but sure let’s use those tricks to advance the ball on voter suppression.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I've always said any citizen should be able to get an ID for free. I think it's alarming that, even being in poverty, you can't get far enough ahead to pay for your own ID. A homeless drug addict could panhandle for a couple hours and get enough money for that. See it happen all the time. If you are an adult who has truly made such a mess or your life that you genuinely can't afford an ID, I can't imagine you're going to be making an informed vote or be the kind of person we should be counting on to elect leaders. But everyone should always have the right to vote. And if an ID is the hurdle, make them free. Because we've seen foul play in elections, and IDs have become necessary

Come on randy.
It's not just a price factor why such a large percentage of adult Americans don't have a government ID.

[JKLivin]

Trump wants to use the military to go into communities and pull people out who are undocumented, which can only be done by violating the civil rights of millions of US citizens. He has also stated that he would "make it OK" for armed civilians to do it which is insane.

It's not hyperbole. It is what Trump has stated he will allow.

Drastic problems call for drastic solutions. It’s a more restrained approach than what I would take.

You can go right on ahead and go fuck yourself with that. Anyone OK with rolling the military and armed bands of racist thugs against citizens is a traitor to our country and the Constitution.

Back at you if you think it is okay to hand over my country to foreign invaders.

[defixione]

A. It's not your country, it's our country.
B. How does less than 3.3% of the total population of the USA interfere with your success?
C. What are you going to do when Trump's posse comes looking for you?

[JKLivin]

A. It's not your country, it's our country.
B. How does less than 3.3% of the total population of the USA interfere with your success?
C. What are you going to do when Trump's posse comes looking for you?

It’s mine. You seem to want one that’s some kind of absurd scatological facsimile.

It’s way more than 3.3%. You’re relying on the funny math used to placate the dupes.

I’m here legally and I don’t hire illegals. I’m not worried.

[KUTradition]

love the xenophobia today, psych…rare form, you fuck!

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

A. It's not your country, it's our country.
B. How does less than 3.3% of the total population of the USA interfere with your success?
C. What are you going to do when Trump's posse comes looking for you?

Somewhat snide response probably worthy of a 6.5+ on the Guttermeter........
A. It IS his country. It is also your country. You are right, it is also our country.
B. Only takes 1 person to interfere with anyone's success.
C. Welcome them and then say, Hello - I'm _________ . Here is my identification. It's nice to meet you. ?

More serious response....
A. Correct. The country is not solely his. It is our's.
B. I don't know how he should answer that. How do they currently interfere with his success? They probably don't. Or if they do, it's to a degree he can and/or has overcome.
C. My guess is he very well might shit/piss/both in his pants.

[twocoach]

Drastic problems call for drastic solutions. It’s a more restrained approach than what I would take.

You can go right on ahead and go fuck yourself with that. Anyone OK with rolling the military and armed bands of racist thugs against citizens is a traitor to our country and the Constitution.

Back at you if you think it is okay to hand over my country to foreign invaders.

No one is handing over our country. Talk about hyperbole. What a drama queen.

[JKLivin]

You can go right on ahead and go fuck yourself with that. Anyone OK with rolling the military and armed bands of racist thugs against citizens is a traitor to our country and the Constitution.

Back at you if you think it is okay to hand over my country to foreign invaders.

No one is handing over our country. Talk about hyperbole. What a drama queen.

They sure are. 10 million plus flooded across the border on Giggles’ watch.

Fuck you. Liar.