News/info links that people provide here aren't "information from kcrim" dumbass. No, I do not think that info without supported links from real sources (AKA the bullshit your MAGA ilk do all the time) should be considered a way to stay informed.
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The inability to distinguish source from medium, and primary source from secondary source, explains quite a lot about our current moment.
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yesjfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:40 amThe inability to distinguish source from medium, and primary source from secondary source, explains quite a lot about our current moment.
and, i’d add, distinguishing opinion from fact
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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Sure - that is the result of the bad process on "smaller" items along the way.KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:52 amyes
and, i’d add, distinguishing opinion from fact
And to be clear, this is all stuff we learned (or should have learned) in high school. Essentially it's the basics of the Scientific Method, and of a HS-level statistics class.
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bullseyejfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:57 amSure - that is the result of the bad process on "smaller" items along the way.
And to be clear, this is all stuff we learned (or should have learned) in high school. Essentially it's the basics of the Scientific Method, and of a HS-level statistics class.
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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No kidding. It's so bizarre. "I will believe any shit from an anonymous source that floats across my eyes on Twitter if it supports my opinion but a link from a verifiable source that someone else saw on Twitter that doesn't support my opinion is questionable."jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:40 amThe inability to distinguish source from medium, and primary source from secondary source, explains quite a lot about our current moment.
It wouldn't bother me as much if they weren't also the ones spazzing out about Fake News. They consume fake news at an alarming rate but will literally deny that something was said despite a direct video feed of that person saying exactly that.
That said, a few of our kcrim MAGA honks are clearly deliberately trolling.
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Surely you're not using Wikipedia as a source Right? A website where anyone can get on and edit stufftwocoach wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:46 amLet's start at the very beginning of where you went wrong. You (and possibly Donald Trump) seem to be under a mistaken assumption that the Unite The Right Rally was "just a protest against removing confederate statues" organized and attended by very fine people with no association to white supremacists and that the "not very fine people" showed up and hijacked the event.randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:09 pm But there you guys go. A simple video with the full context to dispel one of the left's favorite pieces of propaganda that has been used for years now
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist rally was ORGANIZED BY white supremacists Richard Spencer and Jason Kessler. It included members of the Nationalist Front, League of the South, Identity Dixie, Traditionalist Worker, Party Vanguard, America National Socialist Movement, the Ku Klux Klan groups Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and Confederate White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, The Daily Stormer, DezNat, #The Right Stuff, Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights, Identity Evropa, Rise Above Movement, American Guard, Detroit Right Wings, True Cascadia, Alt-Right Montreal, Hammer Brothers, Anti-Communist Action, the American militia movement groups Pennsylvania Light Foot Militia, New York Light Foot Militia, Virginia Minutemen Militia and the 3 Percenters.
They chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present antisemitic and anti-Islamic groups. The organizers' stated goals included the unification of the American white nationalist movement and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.
It was a white nationalist rally, just as Obama accurately stated. It was NOT a rally that white nationalists also showed up to, which is what you seem to be trying to claim. There were NO "very fine people" on that side of it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_t ... Lee%20Park.
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Itt was the quickest place to get it this morning but I can spend a little more time to find the same info from somewhere else for you after this meeting I am sitting in on ends if you'd like. In the meantime, feel free to share more anonymous Twitter posts that you call "sources" for your information.randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:11 amSurely you're not using Wikipedia as a source Right? A website where anyone can get on and edit stufftwocoach wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:46 amLet's start at the very beginning of where you went wrong. You (and possibly Donald Trump) seem to be under a mistaken assumption that the Unite The Right Rally was "just a protest against removing confederate statues" organized and attended by very fine people with no association to white supremacists and that the "not very fine people" showed up and hijacked the event.randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:09 pm But there you guys go. A simple video with the full context to dispel one of the left's favorite pieces of propaganda that has been used for years now
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist rally was ORGANIZED BY white supremacists Richard Spencer and Jason Kessler. It included members of the Nationalist Front, League of the South, Identity Dixie, Traditionalist Worker, Party Vanguard, America National Socialist Movement, the Ku Klux Klan groups Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and Confederate White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, The Daily Stormer, DezNat, #The Right Stuff, Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights, Identity Evropa, Rise Above Movement, American Guard, Detroit Right Wings, True Cascadia, Alt-Right Montreal, Hammer Brothers, Anti-Communist Action, the American militia movement groups Pennsylvania Light Foot Militia, New York Light Foot Militia, Virginia Minutemen Militia and the 3 Percenters.
They chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present antisemitic and anti-Islamic groups. The organizers' stated goals included the unification of the American white nationalist movement and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.
It was a white nationalist rally, just as Obama accurately stated. It was NOT a rally that white nationalists also showed up to, which is what you seem to be trying to claim. There were NO "very fine people" on that side of it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_t ... Lee%20Park.
Is there information that I provided that you do not feel is accurate? Feel free to provide some links to other info if you feel that it needs to be corrected.
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Here's a link to when the Unite the Right rally organizers were found guilty of engaging in a conspiracy ahead of the rally.
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/23/10580243 ... al-verdict
Here's some details on the organizers of the rally:
Richard Spencer: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... -spencer-0
Jason Kessler: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... on-kessler
Here's some info on the people and groups involved in the rally: https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017/08/ ... ottesville
That took about 30 seconds. Let me know if you need more links that you plan to ignore because it takes willful ignorance to continue to support your asinine argument.
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/23/10580243 ... al-verdict
Here's some details on the organizers of the rally:
Richard Spencer: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... -spencer-0
Jason Kessler: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... on-kessler
Here's some info on the people and groups involved in the rally: https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017/08/ ... ottesville
That took about 30 seconds. Let me know if you need more links that you plan to ignore because it takes willful ignorance to continue to support your asinine argument.
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By opening your Twitter feed? I kid, I kid.
I don't even expect any of you MAGA morons to attempt a response that isn't just dumb spam or a smartass comment. None of you even seems capable, let alone willing to attempt it. You bitch and cry about not being engaged in discussion yet you never do your part of that effort. They aren't just us blindly accepting what you say is true. I state my case and provide the reasons why. You ingest that information and reply. THIS is how adult discussions work but none of you seem to able to do it. If you are, you certainly do not display that capability here.
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Throughout history, the tearing down of monuments and statues is pretty common. It's a tactic used to demoralize people. It's an attack on culture, used to erase a people's history. Typically it is not something done with good intent. There were people there to protest this concept. Trying to lump everyone into this group of "white supremacy/hate" just isn't accurate
Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative
Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative