2024

[jfish26]

Throughout history, the tearing down of monuments and statues is pretty common. It's a tactic used to demoralize people. It's an attack on culture, used to erase a people's history. Typically it is not something done with good intent. There were people there to protest this concept. Trying to lump everyone into this group of "white supremacy/hate" just isn't accurate

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

This argument might have weak, fragile, spindly legs - but legs nonetheless - if what we're talking about here was not just one of many Trump dalliances with white supremacists.

That however is not the case.

[Shirley]

[Overlander]

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

I need to see a link...

[jfish26]

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

I need to see a link...

It also doesn't count. The message has been sent. As evidenced by, you know, January 6, 2021, the right wing militias didn't go, "oh, nevermind, he denounced us."

Of course, I wouldn't expect Team "He told them to protect peacefully and patriotically!" to understand this.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

I need to see a link...

randy doesn't provide links. I do. I provided one earlier this morning.

[randylahey]

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

I need to see a link...

Already been posted. Middle of page 305

[randylahey]

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

I need to see a link...

It also doesn't count. The message has been sent. As evidenced by, you know, January 6, 2021, the right wing militias didn't go, "oh, nevermind, he denounced us."

Of course, I wouldn't expect Team "He told them to protect peacefully and patriotically!" to understand this.

Jan 6 was not a racial protest. It was a protest again the government and election outcome. Joe biden is a white male, how is that a racial protest by white supremacists?

[jfish26]

I need to see a link...

It also doesn't count. The message has been sent. As evidenced by, you know, January 6, 2021, the right wing militias didn't go, "oh, nevermind, he denounced us."

Of course, I wouldn't expect Team "He told them to protect peacefully and patriotically!" to understand this.

Jan 6 was not a racial protest. It was a protest again the government and election outcome. Joe biden is a white male, how is that a racial protest by white supremacists?

If this is a sincere post, then you should delete your account and stop pretending to know anything about anything.

[zsn]

I tell everyone. if you want to get informed. go to kcrim. they have 10 chinnesse bots churning out the pig vomit 20-7.

it’s an all star mini mini misinformation farm.

Bots get 4 hours a day off?

[twocoach]

I need to see a link...

It also doesn't count. The message has been sent. As evidenced by, you know, January 6, 2021, the right wing militias didn't go, "oh, nevermind, he denounced us."

Of course, I wouldn't expect Team "He told them to protect peacefully and patriotically!" to understand this.

Jan 6 was not a racial protest. It was a protest again the government and election outcome. Joe biden is a white male, how is that a racial protest by white supremacists?

He didn't say anything about race. I certainly hope that you don't think that "right wing militias" are only white nationalist racists.

[twocoach]

Throughout history, the tearing down of monuments and statues is pretty common. It's a tactic used to demoralize people. It's an attack on culture, used to erase a people's history. Typically it is not something done with good intent. There were people there to protest this concept. Trying to lump everyone into this group of "white supremacy/hate" just isn't accurate

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

Again, the ONLY reason we are discussing this is because YOU stated that Obama LIED by saying "who said that there were very fine people on both sides of a white supremacist rally". Try to stay focused. We aren't discussing this to try to give Trump grief about it. That has been done enough.

1) Trump said exactly that and 2) it WAS a white supremacist rally. Obama did not lie.

[twocoach]

Throughout history, the tearing down of monuments and statues is pretty common. It's a tactic used to demoralize people. It's an attack on culture, used to erase a people's history. Typically it is not something done with good intent. There were people there to protest this concept. Trying to lump everyone into this group of "white supremacy/hate" just isn't accurate

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

History cannot be erased. You cannot go back in time and make it so that things that happened did not happen.

Taking down a statue does not erase history. It just stops displaying a monument to that history as something that should be celebrated.

[jfish26]

Throughout history, the tearing down of monuments and statues is pretty common. It's a tactic used to demoralize people. It's an attack on culture, used to erase a people's history. Typically it is not something done with good intent. There were people there to protest this concept. Trying to lump everyone into this group of "white supremacy/hate" just isn't accurate

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

History cannot be erased. You cannot go back in time and make it so that things that happened did not happen.

Taking down a statue does not erase history. It just stops displaying a monument to that history as something that should be celebrated.

Taking down a statue also makes history. And in this case, it makes history that reflects favorably on where we are now as compared with where we've been.

[twocoach]

Throughout history, the tearing down of monuments and statues is pretty common. It's a tactic used to demoralize people. It's an attack on culture, used to erase a people's history. Typically it is not something done with good intent. There were people there to protest this concept. Trying to lump everyone into this group of "white supremacy/hate" just isn't accurate

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

History cannot be erased. You cannot go back in time and make it so that things that happened did not happen.

Taking down a statue does not erase history. It just stops displaying a monument to that history as something that should be celebrated.

Taking down a statue also makes history. And in this case, it makes history that reflects favorably on where we are now as compared with where we've been.

Agreed. Those statues represent a time when the South was proud of wanting to be independent of the US. Removing them should represent a new time where we are proud that we all (black, white, male, female, Northern, Southern, immigrant, native) are proud to stand shoulder to shoulder as equal, fellow Americans. Those that oppose their removal seem to really be opposing THAT.

[randylahey]

Throughout history, the tearing down of monuments and statues is pretty common. It's a tactic used to demoralize people. It's an attack on culture, used to erase a people's history. Typically it is not something done with good intent. There were people there to protest this concept. Trying to lump everyone into this group of "white supremacy/hate" just isn't accurate

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

Again, the ONLY reason we are discussing this is because YOU stated that Obama LIED by saying "who said that there were very fine people on both sides of a white supremacist rally". Try to stay focused. We aren't discussing this to try to give Trump grief about it. That has been done enough.

1) Trump said exactly that and 2) it WAS a white supremacist rally. Obama did not lie.

1. Trump didn't say exactly that, the video is right there, go rewatch it for context
2. Saying it was a white supremacist rally is misinformation. There was a lot more to that situation than that

[randylahey]

A statue was being removed. People were protesting the removal of the statue. It's pretty simple.

Were there white supremacists involved protesting it? Apparently so. Was everyone there protesting a white supremacist? No. Was it one big white supremacy rally? No

Were the people there that were FOR the removal of the statue? Yes. Were some of them there with good reasons at heart? Yes. We're some of them there instigator will malintent? Also yes

Trying to put this whole situation into one little box of white supremacy just isnt accurate. Nothing is ever that simple

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Throughout history, the tearing down of monuments and statues is pretty common. It's a tactic used to demoralize people. It's an attack on culture, used to erase a people's history. Typically it is not something done with good intent. There were people there to protest this concept. Trying to lump everyone into this group of "white supremacy/hate" just isn't accurate

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

Again, the ONLY reason we are discussing this is because YOU stated that Obama LIED by saying "who said that there were very fine people on both sides of a white supremacist rally". Try to stay focused. We aren't discussing this to try to give Trump grief about it. That has been done enough.

1) Trump said exactly that and 2) it WAS a white supremacist rally. Obama did not lie.

1. Trump didn't say exactly that, the video is right there, go rewatch it for context
2. Saying it was a white supremacist rally is misinformation. There was a lot more to that situation than that

Nevermind

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

A statue was being removed. People were protesting the removal of the statue. It's pretty simple.

Were there white supremacists involved protesting it? Apparently so. Was everyone there protesting a white supremacist? No. Was it one big white supremacy rally? No

Were the people there that were FOR the removal of the statue? Yes. Were some of them there with good reasons at heart? Yes. We're some of them there instigator will malintent? Also yes

Trying to put this whole situation into one little box of white supremacy just isnt accurate. Nothing is ever that simple

YES, it was organized to be "one big white supremacy rally".

[jfish26]

A statue was being removed. People were protesting the removal of the statue. It's pretty simple.

Were there white supremacists involved protesting it? Apparently so. Was everyone there protesting a white supremacist? No. Was it one big white supremacy rally? No

Were the people there that were FOR the removal of the statue? Yes. Were some of them there with good reasons at heart? Yes. We're some of them there instigator will malintent? Also yes

Trying to put this whole situation into one little box of white supremacy just isnt accurate. Nothing is ever that simple

Does the presence of white supremacists at Allen Fieldhouse make a KU game a white supremacy rally? Of course not. The white supremacists are not there to do white supremacist things.

But god damn, it's not complicated: yes, the motivation of white supremacists being at a rally concerning the removal of a monument to defenders of enslaving black people is pretty clear!

[Sparko]

They were trying to defend the honor of Quantrill and the Fort Pillow massacre. Maybe a little Dachau. Or a lot. But they need to be shunned, Randy. Lederhosen doth not make the man. Torches either.