America Failed

[pdub]

You're wasting your time.

Yea.
I know.

I mean, only if you want to be.

Well yea, I usually avoid this bored like the plague.
Feels like a day I should be active on it.

[BiggDick]

So I suppose it sucks for her, and for you as a supporter, and in a sense for America at large, that although she put that on her website, she still got meat necklaced by a nut job anyway.

Add 'with little to no choice' after supporter and remove the 'in a sense' and I'm in agreement with that, yes.

well, that's the thing!

Maybe if America DID have more choices than "little to no", there wouldn't be an "in a sense" to it.

Free up the choices - both with actual Dem primaries, and also with actual 3rd party (actual working-class please?!) sorts of political parties, rather than being force fed the same two parties who at the end of the day are both controlled by the same moneyed interests, and I think we'd all feel a little better here.

[pdub]

So I suppose it sucks for her, and for you as a supporter, and in a sense for America at large, that although she put that on her website, she still got meat necklaced by a nut job anyway.

Add 'with little to no choice' after supporter and remove the 'in a sense' and I'm in agreement with that, yes.

well, that's the thing!

Maybe if America DID have more choices than "little to no", there wouldn't be an "in a sense" to it.

Free up the choices - both with actual Dem primaries, and also with actual 3rd party (actual working-class please?!) sorts of political parties, rather than being force fed the same two parties who at the end of the day are both controlled by the same moneyed interests, and I think we'd all feel a little better here.

Absolutely.
Maine had ranked choice voting for President yesterday.
It should be a nationwide thing - I love it.

[BiggDick]

Yea.
I know.

I mean, only if you want to be.

Well yea, I usually avoid this bored like the plague.
Feels like a day I should be active on it.

likewise.

Happy election season bro.

Is the sat shack open yet?

Howsabout a round of buckets, and just like, switch the teevee behind the bar from the news to like, American Gladiators.

[BiggDick]

to the point - Trump voters are either bigoted nut jobs themselves, or they're ok with the bigoted nut jobs.

And at the end of the day, I'm just not sure there's much of a difference.

I believe there is.
That's why two posters on this site are currently on a week vacation.

say what you will, cuz I know Qusdahl is the exact same thing as Randy and JK.

But, at the end of the day, but they/them has never even been threatened with a timeout.

[BiggDick]

oh and ranked choice too!

[jfish26]

Best case now is what exactly - that his economic policies have disastrous-enough effects to make 2028 (or even the midterms?) about the "hardship" Elon promised?

hoping the country tanks hard.?!?

gee. i wonder why the good folks rejected you and your kind last night. it's a mystery.

It wouldn't be accurate to say I hope the country tanks hard.

But from where I sit, I think we're in the "depression or mere recession" phase of things - and that failing to arrest this slide toward 90s-Russia-style kleptocracy (if we're not already there) is going to have permanent effect.

[MICHHAWK]

fortunately. you have been wrong at almost every turn. here's to you keeping your streak alive.

[jfish26]

fortunately. you have been wrong at almost every turn. here's to you keeping your streak alive.

I wish your family well.

[MICHHAWK]

my life doesn't change because of the man elected

-the avett brothers-

[BiggDick]

Best case now is what exactly - that his economic policies have disastrous-enough effects to make 2028 (or even the midterms?) about the "hardship" Elon promised?

hoping the country tanks hard.?!?

gee. i wonder why the good folks rejected you and your kind last night. it's a mystery.

It wouldn't be accurate to say I hope the country tanks hard.

But from where I sit, I think we're in the "depression or mere recession" phase of things - and that failing to arrest this slide toward 90s-Russia-style kleptocracy (if we're not already there) is going to have permanent effect.

...are we already there??

We might already be there.

I mean, it's not like the title of this thread is "America is like so totally crushing it bro"

[MICHHAWK]

just because you don't like the outcome. does not mean America failed.

America went to the polls to elect their next president. they did exactly that. peacefully and without issue.

just because you don't like the outcome. does not mean America failed.

The United States is the greatest country on earth. by a wide margin.

[pdub]

just because you don't like the outcome. does not mean America failed.

It does to me.
Not to you ( obviously - you voted for Trump ).
Hence why I posted this thread.

Say I was a KU fan and KU lost to Mizzou in the NCAA tournament.
I post a thread afterwards and say this NCAA tournament sucked.
You, as a Mizzou fan come on here and go, no it didn't.

[jfish26]

just because you don't like the outcome. does not mean America failed.

It does to me.
Not to you ( obviously - you voted for Trump ).
Hence why I posted this thread.

It's semantics, right? Because in a (grim) manner of speaking, America worked.

America decided that the juice was worth the squeeze. It is my personal opinion that neither side of that idiom will bear out the way America thinks - I don't think the juice will (say) trickle down, and I don't think the squeeze will trickle up.

But so be it - this is what America chose.

[MICHHAWK]

Say I was a KU fan and KU lost to Mizzou in the NCAA tournament.
I post a thread afterwards and say this NCAA tournament sucked.
You, as a Mizzou fan come on here and go, no it didn't.

sorry. but that is not even close.

[BiggDick]

"democracy is the theory that the common man knows what's best for himself, and that he deserves to get it, good and hard."

[pdub]

Say I was a KU fan and KU lost to Mizzou in the NCAA tournament.
I post a thread afterwards and say this NCAA tournament sucked.
You, as a Mizzou fan come on here and go, no it didn't.

sorry. but that is not even close.

ok mizzou fan.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

https://kamalaharris.com/issues/

"Healthcare! This one's huge."
5th one down.

"climate change."
10th one down.

"reproductive rights"
11th one down.

"also things like immigration, weed, voter rights, Citizens United, any number of anything for which an actual vision was an opportunity to have popular appeal more so than some status quo."

Read up.

Here is part of the problem. That wasn't on her website until long after she announced her candidacy. I wouldn't have expected it to be on her website right away but she and her campaign waited way too long.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I do…if combined with Biden realizing he wasn’t fit for a second term.

Would more time have helped break through the nonreality bubble? Maybe. I could also see an argument that a blitz campaign like Harris’s would have been the better strategy anyway.

I think ultimately this was about the specific timing of our exit from high inflation, combined with the capture of our information ecosystem (and the durability of some human-nature ugliness in our instincts).

Harris was one of the least popular choices in the Dem primary in 2020.

They ignored that. And it mattered.

Again, it had to be Harris at the point it became Harris. But, it should have never gotten that far. We spent several years pretending Biden was going to be good to go for a 2nd term. When in reality, he wasn't.

I think we'll be fine. We survived Trump's first term. We will survive his second term too.

Yes. With all you said up until.... We will be fine.
I'm not so sure we will be fine - and I can only sit back and hope we survive his second term.

[pdub]

It's semantics, right? Because in a (grim) manner of speaking, America worked.

If you worked, or succeeded, at doing something shitty it's still shitty.
To me, that's a failure.

If I intentionally chose all the wrong answers on a test, well that's pretty impressive, but you still get an F.