trump’s promises

[MICHHAWK]

we know. the far left wing of the democrat party wants to make America europe. thank god the rest do not.

[jfish26]

You guys aren’t exactly inspiring confidence that dems are gonna actually learn anything from this.

What I have learned is that people are easily fooled into believing what they want to believe and that the largest issue facing us is an Information Security problem in that adversarial foreign governments are able to easily inject incorrect information into our society and fool people who put little effort into knowing what is happening with each candidate.

Spare me with the whole "Dems aren't hearing the grievances of Republicans" bullshit.

This go here?

After running on capping credit card interest rates, the Trump administration is instead going to reduce costs for people by .... lowering their wages and increasing the fees that banks and credit card companies can charge them?

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/let-the-tru ... 6#cxrecs_s

https://bsky.app/profile/grahamsteele.b ... riql4v522i

[BiggDick]

You guys aren’t exactly inspiring confidence that dems are gonna actually learn anything from this.

What I have learned is that people are easily fooled into believing what they want to believe and that the largest issue facing us is an Information Security problem in that adversarial foreign governments are able to easily inject incorrect information into our society and fool people who put little effort into knowing what is happening with each candidate.

Spare me with the whole "Dems aren't hearing the grievances of Republicans" bullshit.

Whoa. Holy run-on sentence Batman. 59 words! That reads like a Trump tweet.

I’m just teasing you btw.

For real tho I think there’s some truth to both the concerns about misinformation including foreign interference, and concerns about dem stubborn refusal, as exhibited by these “spare me” sorts of attitudes, to self-reflect and ask what they could do different going forward.

[MICHHAWK]

and concerns about dem stubborn refusal, as exhibited by these “spare me” sorts of attitudes, to self-reflect and ask what they could do different going forward.

as we speak, the demonrat party is doing just that.

it's the keyboard warriors that are stuck in the mudd.

[twocoach]

You guys aren’t exactly inspiring confidence that dems are gonna actually learn anything from this.

What I have learned is that people are easily fooled into believing what they want to believe and that the largest issue facing us is an Information Security problem in that adversarial foreign governments are able to easily inject incorrect information into our society and fool people who put little effort into knowing what is happening with each candidate.

Spare me with the whole "Dems aren't hearing the grievances of Republicans" bullshit.

Whoa. Holy run-on sentence Batman. 59 words! That reads like a Trump tweet.

I’m just teasing you btw.

For real tho I think there’s some truth to both the concerns about misinformation including foreign interference, and concerns about dem stubborn refusal, as exhibited by these “spare me” sorts of attitudes, to self-reflect and ask what they could do different going forward.

OK, genius. Fill me in then.

Do uneducated GOP voters want to make more money? Dems have voted for raising minimum wage while the GOP has voted against it.

Do uneducated GOP voters want to keep working shitty low wage jobs or do they want to advance to careers that can support a family, house, etc...? It takes education, both academic and professional to do so and Dems have widely supported both while the GOP has not.

Do uneducated GOP voters want financial relief ASAP? The Dems tax policies would have provided that more than the policies of the GOP as would their desire to address price gouging which is CLEARLY happening post-pandemic.

Frustrated that their per hour job won't give them benefits such as Healthcare? The Dems support Universal Healthcare, the GOP does not and will shut off what we have if they can figure out how.

What else do I need to hear, please enlighten me.

[jfish26]

Don't forget proposals to increase deductibility of startup expenses, down payment assistance, and - the biggest one of all that got next to no media attention altogether - Medicare coverage of home health care.

[BiggDick]

when you put it that way, maybe it's not you who needs to hear it, it's "uneducated GOP voters." That sounds a tad demeaning in itself, but let's not get caught up on that. Rather, let's instead figure out how Dem messaging CAN convey these values better (assuming the problem is just messaging about the platform, and not the actual substance of the platform itself)

All actual values and substance aside, Trump at least sold more voters, and more working-class voters particularly, on the idea that he would do a better job of making them more money (and/or generally improving their lives) than dems would, apparently. It's gross, and I don't agree with it either, but it is what it is.

Maybe it's a messaging thing. Or maybe it's a blame-the-incumbent thing. If dems really are gonna raise wages and create opportunities and address price gouging, why didn't they?

Or if it's rather, "why weren't they able to?," and the answer is "because republicans," then it only gets more perplexing why Americans went for it. But, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people, huh.

Either way, Uncle Joe's still got 2 more months in the big chair. Do something crazy bro!

[MICHHAWK]

nobody supports universal health care. on either side of the aisle.

[BiggDick]

the biggest one of all that got next to no media attention altogether - Medicare coverage of home health care.

Yeah, hadn't heard that either. Home health care seems kinda specific tho.

I still can't believe we're two elections removed from a pandemic, four removed from ACA, how many attempts to repeal ACA, costs through the roof, number one cause of bankruptcy in this country, and healthcare as a whole got hardly any attention at all, let alone an actual cohesive plan from either major party.

Kamala even campaigned on it!

(In 2020)

Make it make sense.

[BiggDick]

nobody supports universal health care. on either side of the aisle.

which, of course, is quite an indictment of the system.

I guess Bernie kind of did/does, and he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling dems and their (Hill)dog.

[jfish26]

nobody supports universal health care. on either side of the aisle.

Finger, meet pulse.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/maj ... hcare.aspx

A 57% majority of U.S. adults believe that the federal government should ensure all Americans have healthcare coverage.

It is true that a majority prefer this being accomplished through private insurance. But it is simply fiction to say that "nobody supports universal health care" - as with many things, there is a clear majority in support of it, and the question is how to accomplish it.

[twocoach]

when you put it that way, maybe it's not you who needs to hear it, it's "uneducated GOP voters." That sounds a tad demeaning in itself, but let's not get caught up on that. Rather, let's instead figure out how Dem messaging CAN convey these values better (assuming the problem is just messaging about the platform, and not the actual substance of the platform itself)

All actual values and substance aside, Trump at least sold more voters, and more working-class voters particularly, on the idea that he would do a better job of making them more money (and/or generally improving their lives) than dems would, apparently. It's gross, and I don't agree with it either, but it is what it is.

Maybe it's a messaging thing. Or maybe it's a blame-the-incumbent thing. If dems really are gonna raise wages and create opportunities and address price gouging, why didn't they?

Or if it's rather, "why weren't they able to?," and the answer is "because republicans," then it only gets more perplexing why Americans went for it. But, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people, huh.

Either way, Uncle Joe's still got 2 more months in the big chair. Do something crazy bro!

In other words you have no fucking clue and cannot point to a single specific GOP policy that would address any of the things I mentioned. Which means we circle back to being filled with bad info vs. real info.

[jfish26]

the biggest one of all that got next to no media attention altogether - Medicare coverage of home health care.

Yeah, hadn't heard that either. Home health care seems kinda specific tho.

Respectfully, this just isn't the sort of thing that tends to get traction in the places you seem to get your news.

Harris’s new proposal, called the Medicare at Home plan, emphasizes supporting these members in the so-called sandwich generation—people who care for both young and aging family members. If it passes, at-home aides who provide support for day-to-day activities, such as bathing, cooking and using the bathroom, would be covered for the first time ever by Medicare, the federal health insurance program for adults aged 65 and older and some people with disabilities. The proposal also maps out avenues to improve wages for professional care workers, expand access to remote technologies and telehealth services and cover hearing and vision needs, including hearing aids and eyeglasses. Based on the eligibility criteria of similar proposals, Harris’s plan could potentially help more than 14.7 million of the 67 million people enrolled in Medicare, as well as countless caregivers—but it rides on the results of the upcoming U.S. presidential election and on crucial negotiations across branches of the federal government.

[...]

Medicare currently pays for home assistance and rehabilitation services for a limited time after hospitalization (for a medical stay involving issues such as a broken hip, cancer treatment or heart surgery). People in very low income brackets can apply to continue at-home nursing support through federal-state Medicaid insurance programs. Some state Medicaid programs offer self-directed care, which allows people to hire informal caregivers, such as friends or family members, who may have to quit their job to care for their loved one.

But many people wind up paying out-of-pocket; one 2024 survey estimates that the median cost of 40-hour-per-week at-home health care in the U.S. is $5,892 a month. Some at-home aides and services require payment for a set minimum number of hours per day, Szanton explains. So if someone only requires an hour of help to cook, clean or grab the mail, they may have to pay more for a longer shift of four hours. Sometimes older adults and their families “essentially impoverish themselves and then get onto Medicaid,” Szanton says.

“There’s nothing for you, unless you spend your entire life savings and stop working and somehow become eligible for Medicaid,” says Carrie Graham, a gerontologist and health policy analyst at Georgetown University’s Center on Health Insurance Reforms. Graham also points out that the majority of family caregiving falls on women; on any given day, nearly 24 percent of women aged 55 and older in the U.S. provide unpaid family care.

“A lot of caregivers are older adults themselves,” Graham says. “It takes a major toll on being able to take care of your own health.” According to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention survey conducted from 2015 to 2017, 41 percent of caregivers reported having two or more chronic diseases. More than half also said a decline in their own health had affected their ability to provide care.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ts-easier/

[twocoach]

nobody supports universal health care. on either side of the aisle.

I have no clue what you would base such a stupid comment on.

[jfish26]

when you put it that way, maybe it's not you who needs to hear it, it's "uneducated GOP voters." That sounds a tad demeaning in itself, but let's not get caught up on that. Rather, let's instead figure out how Dem messaging CAN convey these values better (assuming the problem is just messaging about the platform, and not the actual substance of the platform itself)

All actual values and substance aside, Trump at least sold more voters, and more working-class voters particularly, on the idea that he would do a better job of making them more money (and/or generally improving their lives) than dems would, apparently. It's gross, and I don't agree with it either, but it is what it is.

Maybe it's a messaging thing. Or maybe it's a blame-the-incumbent thing. If dems really are gonna raise wages and create opportunities and address price gouging, why didn't they?

Or if it's rather, "why weren't they able to?," and the answer is "because republicans," then it only gets more perplexing why Americans went for it. But, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people, huh.

Either way, Uncle Joe's still got 2 more months in the big chair. Do something crazy bro!

In other words you have no fucking clue and cannot point to a single specific GOP policy that would address any of the things I mentioned. Which means we circle back to being filled with bad info vs. real info.

It's almost like blasting lies 24/7 while minimizing and degrading the worth of professional reporting has consequences.

[BiggDick]

man, you guys would be a lot easier to take seriously if you didn't so quickly move to condescension.

I don't mean that in a "me trying to play the victim" kinda way, but more in a "seems like a desperate move by someone running out of moves to make" kinda way. And frankly, I'd rather not have to wade through that shit to figure out your points, which are often otherwise insightful.

I can applaud the Harris initiative to help with at-home care, and any initiate that helps to address the issue of people in the otherwise-wealthiest country ever having to "essentially impoverish themselves" just for healthcare.

And this at-home care initiative helps 14.7 million, which is a lot of people. But, it's still also, like I said, kinda specific, considering the issue of healthcare as a whole actually affects every single American.

As for where I get my news from, boy is your mind gonna be blown when you finally realize I get it from the exact same places you do.

[TDub]

nobody supports universal health care. on either side of the aisle.

I do.


In fact, it could a almost make me a single issue voter.

[BiggDick]

when you put it that way, maybe it's not you who needs to hear it, it's "uneducated GOP voters." That sounds a tad demeaning in itself, but let's not get caught up on that. Rather, let's instead figure out how Dem messaging CAN convey these values better (assuming the problem is just messaging about the platform, and not the actual substance of the platform itself)

All actual values and substance aside, Trump at least sold more voters, and more working-class voters particularly, on the idea that he would do a better job of making them more money (and/or generally improving their lives) than dems would, apparently. It's gross, and I don't agree with it either, but it is what it is.

Maybe it's a messaging thing. Or maybe it's a blame-the-incumbent thing. If dems really are gonna raise wages and create opportunities and address price gouging, why didn't they?

Or if it's rather, "why weren't they able to?," and the answer is "because republicans," then it only gets more perplexing why Americans went for it. But, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people, huh.

Either way, Uncle Joe's still got 2 more months in the big chair. Do something crazy bro!

In other words you have no fucking clue and cannot point to a single specific GOP policy that would address any of the things I mentioned. Which means we circle back to being filled with bad info vs. real info.

most of your previous questions were about "uneducated GOP voters." I never said there WERE any GOP policies that would address any of the things you mentioned.

As for one of the things you mentioned, well, if dems DO support universal healthcare, then why didn't they run on that?

[jfish26]

man, you guys would be a lot easier to take seriously if you didn't so quickly move to condescension.

I don't mean that in a "me trying to play the victim" kinda way, but more in a "seems like a desperate move by someone running out of moves to make" kinda way. And frankly, I'd rather not have to wade through that shit to figure out your points, which are often otherwise insightful.

I can applaud the Harris initiative to help with at-home care, and any initiate that helps to address the issue of people in the otherwise-wealthiest country ever having to "essentially impoverish themselves" just for healthcare.

And this at-home care initiative helps 14.7 million, which is a lot of people. But, it's still also, like I said, kinda specific, considering the issue of healthcare as a whole actually affects every single American.

As for where I get my news from, boy is your mind gonna be blown when you finally realize I get it from the exact same places you do.

But the point is - you keep killing Harris for not offering progressive policies. When it seems like all "offering progressive policies" is code for, is "agreeing with me about Gaza."

[jfish26]

when you put it that way, maybe it's not you who needs to hear it, it's "uneducated GOP voters." That sounds a tad demeaning in itself, but let's not get caught up on that. Rather, let's instead figure out how Dem messaging CAN convey these values better (assuming the problem is just messaging about the platform, and not the actual substance of the platform itself)

All actual values and substance aside, Trump at least sold more voters, and more working-class voters particularly, on the idea that he would do a better job of making them more money (and/or generally improving their lives) than dems would, apparently. It's gross, and I don't agree with it either, but it is what it is.

Maybe it's a messaging thing. Or maybe it's a blame-the-incumbent thing. If dems really are gonna raise wages and create opportunities and address price gouging, why didn't they?

Or if it's rather, "why weren't they able to?," and the answer is "because republicans," then it only gets more perplexing why Americans went for it. But, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people, huh.

Either way, Uncle Joe's still got 2 more months in the big chair. Do something crazy bro!

In other words you have no fucking clue and cannot point to a single specific GOP policy that would address any of the things I mentioned. Which means we circle back to being filled with bad info vs. real info.

most of your previous questions were about "uneducated GOP voters." I never said there WERE any GOP policies that would address any of the things you mentioned.

As for one of the things you mentioned, well, if dems DO support universal healthcare, then why didn't they run on that?

They did! What do you think the Affordable Care Act is intended to achieve?