trump’s promises

[Overlander]

nobody supports universal health care. on either side of the aisle.

I have no clue what you would base such a stupid comment on.

Ummm...being stupid?

[BiggDick]

In other words you have no fucking clue and cannot point to a single specific GOP policy that would address any of the things I mentioned. Which means we circle back to being filled with bad info vs. real info.

most of your previous questions were about "uneducated GOP voters." I never said there WERE any GOP policies that would address any of the things you mentioned.

As for one of the things you mentioned, well, if dems DO support universal healthcare, then why didn't they run on that?

They did! What do you think the Affordable Care Act is intended to achieve?

umm

a handout to the insurance companies, nothing more?

Just like DCHawk1 tried to tell you.

and even if the Affordable Care Act really should be taken at face value and really was an act toward affordable care, it was 1. 14 years and 4 administrations ago, and 2. seemed to make healthcare as a whole only cost more.

so either way, maybe it's not wise for Dems to keep tryna hang their hat on it.

[BiggDick]

nobody supports universal health care. on either side of the aisle.

Finger, meet pulse.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/maj ... hcare.aspx

A 57% majority of U.S. adults believe that the federal government should ensure all Americans have healthcare coverage.

It is true that a majority prefer this being accomplished through private insurance. But it is simply fiction to say that "nobody supports universal health care" - as with many things, there is a clear majority in support of it, and the question is how to accomplish it.

maybe like...campaign on it as part of your presidential platform?

with the key word being UNIVERSAL.

Since that specific at-home care demographic apparently came up short.

[twocoach]

man, you guys would be a lot easier to take seriously if you didn't so quickly move to condescension.

I don't mean that in a "me trying to play the victim" kinda way, but more in a "seems like a desperate move by someone running out of moves to make" kinda way. And frankly, I'd rather not have to wade through that shit to figure out your points, which are often otherwise insightful.

I can applaud the Harris initiative to help with at-home care, and any initiate that helps to address the issue of people in the otherwise-wealthiest country ever having to "essentially impoverish themselves" just for healthcare.

And this at-home care initiative helps 14.7 million, which is a lot of people. But, it's still also, like I said, kinda specific, considering the issue of healthcare as a whole actually affects every single American.

As for where I get my news from, boy is your mind gonna be blown when you finally realize I get it from the exact same places you do.

Constant victimhood. I don't need to "make any moves" whatever that even means. GOP voters chose the option that makes it more likely they remain the slave class to the ultra wealthy for the forseeable future. Fine, if that's what they want, so be it.

And if you're getting your news from the same places as me then it's your critical reading skills that need work, not my ability to listen.

[jfish26]

Ous, you are out here doing perfect is the enemy of the good shit. All the while accusing Dems of not doing enough navel-gazing.

[twocoach]

nobody supports universal health care. on either side of the aisle.

Finger, meet pulse.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/maj ... hcare.aspx

A 57% majority of U.S. adults believe that the federal government should ensure all Americans have healthcare coverage.

It is true that a majority prefer this being accomplished through private insurance. But it is simply fiction to say that "nobody supports universal health care" - as with many things, there is a clear majority in support of it, and the question is how to accomplish it.

maybe like...campaign on it as part of your presidential platform?

with the key word being UNIVERSAL.

Since that specific at-home care demographic apparently came up short.

I saw Universal Healthcare and the difference ebetween the two parties stances on it mentioned in dozens upon dozens of campaign ads. It was talked about in the debate. It was talked about in speeches.

The problem is that the average GOP voters has a firehouse of misinformation diluting that message. Period.

[twocoach]

most of your previous questions were about "uneducated GOP voters." I never said there WERE any GOP policies that would address any of the things you mentioned.

As for one of the things you mentioned, well, if dems DO support universal healthcare, then why didn't they run on that?

They did! What do you think the Affordable Care Act is intended to achieve?

umm

a handout to the insurance companies, nothing more?

Just like DCHawk1 tried to tell you.

and even if the Affordable Care Act really should be taken at face value and really was an act toward affordable care, it was 1. 14 years and 4 administrations ago, and 2. seemed to make healthcare as a whole only cost more.

so either way, maybe it's not wise for Dems to keep tryna hang their hat on it.

JFC, you're as brainwashed as the rest of them.

[twocoach]

Meanwhile, Trump is threatening to confiscate the endowments of universities that do not placate to their indoctrination efforts and have the funds distributed to "white male victims of DEI policies".

But yeah, the problem really is that Dems need to talk nicer to GOP voters...

[BiggDick]

I saw Universal Healthcare and the difference ebetween the two parties stances on it mentioned in dozens upon dozens of campaign ads. It was talked about in the debate. It was talked about in speeches.

you did?? Allsome!!!!

On, presumably, one of the two (presumably major) party stances, as you mention.

would kindly be willing to provide a reliable source to as much, please?

If you're able to provide dozens upon dozens of reliably sourced examples (of Universal Healthcare in either major party's stances), then that'd be great. And better yet for you, it would make me look like I really am the idiot you say I am!

If you can provide at least one such reliable source of "universal healthcare" on either of the two major party's stances, and particularly in a campaign ad, that would still be very impressive.

But, since you struggle with civility around here, and since I don't mean to play the victim but just frankly find the lack of civility to be annoying as fuck...let's make this interesting!

If you are NOT able to provide, in a timely manner, one single reliably-sourced example of Universal Healthcare in either of the two major party stances, then I will be reporting your post, in according with the new board administrative policy of cracking down on "clearly attempting to be poised as a factual statement...but has the complete opposite of validity."

Your move!

[BiggDick]

Ous, you are out here doing perfect is the enemy of the good shit. All the while accusing Dems of not doing enough navel-gazing.

you say that as if Dems have done any navel-gazing at all

[jfish26]

It's been a week of nothing but. You can't buy a cold brew without running into a thinkpiece on how the Democrats blew the election.

[twocoach]

I saw Universal Healthcare and the difference ebetween the two parties stances on it mentioned in dozens upon dozens of campaign ads. It was talked about in the debate. It was talked about in speeches.

you did?? Allsome!!!!

On, presumably, one of the two (presumably major) party stances, as you mention.

would kindly be willing to provide a reliable source to as much, please?

If you're able to provide dozens upon dozens of reliably sourced examples (of Universal Healthcare in either major party's stances), then that'd be great. And better yet for you, it would make me look like I really am the idiot you say I am!

If you can provide at least one such reliable source of "universal healthcare" on either of the two major party's stances, and particularly in a campaign ad, that would still be very impressive.

But, since you struggle with civility around here, and since I don't mean to play the victim but just frankly find the lack of civility to be annoying as fuck...let's make this interesting!

If you are NOT able to provide, in a timely manner, one single reliably-sourced example of Universal Healthcare in either of the two major party stances, then I will be reporting your post, in according with the new board administrative policy of cracking down on "clearly attempting to be poised as a factual statement...but has the complete opposite of validity."

Your move!

It is quite literally right on the Democratic Party's website.

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/pa ... alth-care/

[Sparko]

Buffett going liquid. Stocks dropping. All that underlying bitcoin value

[twocoach]

Trump: I talked to Putin and told him to de-escalate the war in Ukraine.

Putin: Never happened. *blows up the Kurakhiv reservoir dam, moves 50,000 troops to the border, plays naked pictures of Melania on a loop on Russian State TV, issues official press release saying that Trump has corresponding obligations due to Russia helping him get elected and will be obliged to fulfill them..

Trump's really showing Russia who's boss...

[jfish26]

Meanwhile, we’re making a veteran-grifting, West Bank- and Gaza-annexation-supporting Fox News chud the Secretary of Defense.

Good job, good effort, voters.

[twocoach]

Ds are in a very tough position.

It must be accepted as fact that, since vibes > facts at the ballot box, we can expect the same to be true if and when Trump underdelivers on promises, or if and when delivering on promises has (the totally foreseeable) disastrous effects.

For example, Trump is inheriting a great economy, and will claim credit for it, and will likely crash it into a ditch, and will blame the opposition for the crash.

How do we get to a place where at least some meaningful portion of Trump supporters see through that blame for the bullshit that it is?

Dems need to stop trying to convince Republicans to like them and focus on getting Democrats off their asses to vote. Republicans aren't going to listen to Dems or believe them even if they are the better choice for them so stop wasting so much time trying.

[DeletedUser]

Ds are in a very tough position.

It must be accepted as fact that, since vibes > facts at the ballot box, we can expect the same to be true if and when Trump underdelivers on promises, or if and when delivering on promises has (the totally foreseeable) disastrous effects.

For example, Trump is inheriting a great economy, and will claim credit for it, and will likely crash it into a ditch, and will blame the opposition for the crash.

How do we get to a place where at least some meaningful portion of Trump supporters see through that blame for the bullshit that it is?

Dems need to stop trying to convince Republicans to like them and focus on getting Democrats off their asses to vote. Republicans aren't going to listen to Dems or believe them even if they are the better choice for them so stop wasting so much time trying.

Dems definitely need to pull from the middle. Not sure those are considered true "republicans".

Parties change over time. I think both parties need to do some adjusting.

[BiggDick]

this "pull from the middle" strategy by dems kinda lost dems a lotta votes this time around.

as far as true "republicans," they just don't vote dem.

and as far as of-color voters and younger voters and the sorts of voters dems used to otherwise be able to rely on, dems are loosing them.

tho i do agree, dems should focus on getting these otherwise-traditionally Dem voters to vote.

I wonder what sort of appeal they could make? Besides, like, "get off your asses!"

[BiggDick]

Meanwhile, we’re making a veteran-grifting, West Bank- and Gaza-annexation-supporting Fox News chud the Secretary of Defense.

Good job, good effort, voters.

just said the same thing to two coach, and trying to say it to you as non-snarky as possible, when I say it's pretty fucked up that your concern for Gaza is only partisan.

But points for at least trying to understand it that much!

[BiggDick]

I saw Universal Healthcare and the difference ebetween the two parties stances on it mentioned in dozens upon dozens of campaign ads. It was talked about in the debate. It was talked about in speeches.

you did?? Allsome!!!!

On, presumably, one of the two (presumably major) party stances, as you mention.

would kindly be willing to provide a reliable source to as much, please?

If you're able to provide dozens upon dozens of reliably sourced examples (of Universal Healthcare in either major party's stances), then that'd be great. And better yet for you, it would make me look like I really am the idiot you say I am!

If you can provide at least one such reliable source of "universal healthcare" on either of the two major party's stances, and particularly in a campaign ad, that would still be very impressive.

But, since you struggle with civility around here, and since I don't mean to play the victim but just frankly find the lack of civility to be annoying as fuck...let's make this interesting!

If you are NOT able to provide, in a timely manner, one single reliably-sourced example of Universal Healthcare in either of the two major party stances, then I will be reporting your post, in according with the new board administrative policy of cracking down on "clearly attempting to be poised as a factual statement...but has the complete opposite of validity."

Your move!

It is quite literally right on the Democratic Party's website.

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/pa ... alth-care/

know what? let's count it!

it turns out we were debating less on whether Dems were actually trying to offer the American people universal healthcare, and more simply on the semantics of, "universal."

and FWIW prior to asking you I searched for "universal healthcare" on Kamala's website and campaign media, but couldn't find it.