trump’s promises

[BiggDick]

It's been a week of nothing but. You can't buy a cold brew without running into a thinkpiece on how the Democrats blew the election.

yea, I guess it has?

But so much of that "how" has been how it was cuz misinformation and how it was cuz foreign interference and how it was cuz voters are so stoopid, and less how Dems blew the election could possibly be about anything but the Dems.

but, that's water under the bridge. The important "how" to ask now is, how Dems plan to not blow it again. Do you feel that's being asked, and if so, how?

[jfish26]

It seems like the only answer you’re going to accept here is, “the Dems have not concluded that the way to fix this is to move aggressively to the left, particularly on Gaza, and so no I do not feel the Dems are yet asking themselves the right questions.”

[jfish26]

Meanwhile, we’re making a veteran-grifting, West Bank- and Gaza-annexation-supporting Fox News chud the Secretary of Defense.

Good job, good effort, voters.

just said the same thing to two coach, and trying to say it to you as non-snarky as possible, when I say it's pretty fucked up that your concern for Gaza is only partisan.

But points for at least trying to understand it that much!

You’re missing the point.

It should be clear now - but then again, it always has been clear - that anyone who failed to support Harris because she is soft on Israel would be making things in Gaza immeasurably worse.

[BiggDick]

Actually, I am very confident I am not the one missing the point here.

for real, how can you with a straight face say, "WOULD be making things in Gaza immeasurably worse?!"

What is there left of Gaza to even make worse?

It's not that Harris has been "soft" on Israel, either. Honestly never thought we'd see that kind of language!

Rather, it's that the Biden/Harris administration is best case complicit in, and worst case among the direct perpetrators of, some of the most horrific shit the world's ever seen.

And again, the fact you're trying for more of this shit where you cannot or will not understand that as morally shocking in itself, but rather just as some partisan told-you-so, just sounds so completely fucked up right now.

[jfish26]

You are making this - as it relates to US elective politics - so much more complicated than it is.

[BiggDick]

Jesus Christ dude.

you display the exact same arrogance and obliviousness that cost Kamala the election.

[BiggDick]

Democrats Ignored Gaza and Brought Down Their Party

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/07/opin ... a-war.html

[KUTradition]

You are making this - as it relates to US elective politics - so much more complicated than it is.

it’s not unlike conspiracy theorists

he has a need to feel special; hence all the “look at me” nonsense

more often than not, he is absolutely the one missing the point. yet, for whatever reason, and despite so many pointing it out to him, these sorts of exchanges just keep happening

[jfish26]

Electing Trump to own the moderate libs, is quite an own goal even if (especially if?) you are a single issue (Gaza) voter.

[BiggDick]

I think it's less about voters electing/otherwise voting for Trump to "own the moderate libs" or otherwise operate as a single issue (Gaza) voter, and more about voters who just didn't bother to vote cuz they were appalled by both choices.

[KUTradition]

those people, you included, are complicit

[jfish26]

That is voting.

[twocoach]

you did?? Allsome!!!!

On, presumably, one of the two (presumably major) party stances, as you mention.

would kindly be willing to provide a reliable source to as much, please?

If you're able to provide dozens upon dozens of reliably sourced examples (of Universal Healthcare in either major party's stances), then that'd be great. And better yet for you, it would make me look like I really am the idiot you say I am!

If you can provide at least one such reliable source of "universal healthcare" on either of the two major party's stances, and particularly in a campaign ad, that would still be very impressive.

But, since you struggle with civility around here, and since I don't mean to play the victim but just frankly find the lack of civility to be annoying as fuck...let's make this interesting!

If you are NOT able to provide, in a timely manner, one single reliably-sourced example of Universal Healthcare in either of the two major party stances, then I will be reporting your post, in according with the new board administrative policy of cracking down on "clearly attempting to be poised as a factual statement...but has the complete opposite of validity."

Your move!

It is quite literally right on the Democratic Party's website.

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/pa ... alth-care/

know what? let's count it!

it turns out we were debating less on whether Dems were actually trying to offer the American people universal healthcare, and more simply on the semantics of, "universal."

and FWIW prior to asking you I searched for "universal healthcare" on Kamala's website and campaign media, but couldn't find it.

Your entire post was an attempt to catch me in semantics. If you had spent less time building what I am sure you thought was a really good trap and instead just gone to Google and typed "Democratic Party universal healthcare" we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And that's the problem.

You read what you want. You focus on trying to be witty instead of on gathering information. You read "uneducated GOP voter" as some sort of condescending slight instead if what it is, which is simply a description of a subsection of their voters (those with less than a college degree that can be used to elevate above the lowest levels of pay in our economy).

Stop looking for chances to be a smart ass. It prevents you from simply having conversations.

[KUTradition]

he’s an ignorant ass who doesn’t think beyond surface level before posting

[BiggDick]

well then we'll just have to be left wondering why, if Dems are such champions of universal healthcare, then why didn't Kamala campaign on that.

Beyond, like, the "at-home care" demographic, I guess.

[BiggDick]

he’s an ignorant ass who doesn’t think beyond surface level before posting

did you read the NYT article I posted?

You know, to make sure your own understanding goes beyond surface level

[BiggDick]

those people, you included, are complicit

nah.

I voted for a candidate who wants to dial back the war machine, rather than perpetuate it.

[KUTradition]

[twocoach]

Jesus Christ dude.

you display the exact same arrogance and obliviousness that cost Kamala the election.

It is arrogance and being oblivious that got us in this situation where MAGA voters feel that being informed by BS information is acceptable and worthy of being treated with respect. It is not. We cannot have the level of civil discourse necessary to move forward together as a society if there isn't some sort of agreement on some basic principles of reality.

MAGA no longer accepts reality as fact so they created their own reality full of made up grievances and lies. Until that behavior stops, we will continue to have to deal with the kind of BS that putting a repulsive, racist, rapist felon into the fucking White House brings.

[BiggDick]

I implore you, trad. Please just leave me alone.

If you really think I'm such a clown, then ignore me.