Israel/Palestine

[KUTradition]

but you do offend…regularly

and then you double down on it, again and again

[BiggDick]

well, I'm sorry.

If I do offend, I'm guessing it's due to providing views and subject matter you find offensive, rather than direct personal attacks and name calling.

and fwiw you can kinda come across as offensive yourself, particularly when you resort to repeated "fuck you" sorts of posts.

now, where did you say exactly how Trump could be worse?

And are you able to reconcile my point about distinguishing how Trump could be worse with how Kamala alrady has been worse?

[KUTradition]

don’t apologize, do better

(i’ve said this all before, multiple times)

[jfish26]

well, I'm sorry.

If I do offend, I'm guessing it's due to providing views and subject matter you find offensive, rather than direct personal attacks and name calling.

and fwiw you can kinda come across as offensive yourself, particularly when you resort to repeated "fuck you" sorts of posts.

now, where did you say exactly how Trump could be worse?

And are you able to reconcile my point about distinguishing how Trump could be worse with how Kamala alrady has been worse?

Do you genuinely believe there is any chance that the fate of the Palestinians will be better under Trump than it would have been under Harris?

[BiggDick]

how do you (trad) want me to do better?

simply not share my views?

that seems pretty...I dunno...authoritarian.

Could I ask you too to please do better, specifically by refraining from such profane putdowns?

[BiggDick]

well, I'm sorry.

If I do offend, I'm guessing it's due to providing views and subject matter you find offensive, rather than direct personal attacks and name calling.

and fwiw you can kinda come across as offensive yourself, particularly when you resort to repeated "fuck you" sorts of posts.

now, where did you say exactly how Trump could be worse?

And are you able to reconcile my point about distinguishing how Trump could be worse with how Kamala alrady has been worse?

Do you genuinely believe there is any chance that the fate of the Palestinians will be better under Trump than it would have been under Harris?

personally, no. Like I said, I think Palestine is fucked regardless considering how bad the Biden administration in particular, and so much of the entire history of U.S. support for Israel regardless of which party controls the White House, has always been for Palestinians.

But, maybe other voters thought so, tho I don't want to speak for other voters. Like I said, I think it's the "one of two people" mentality, combined with "could be" versus "already has been," perhaps

Now, do you think the fate of the Palestinians could have been any worse than it already has been under Biden/Harris?

[jfish26]

I mean, of course the fate of the Palestinians "could have been any worse than it already has been under Biden/Harris" - for proof, I suggest you watch what the next few months look like.

Would you have voted for Harris if you lived in a state that might plausibly have gone either way?

[BiggDick]

Honestly, I dunno. That seems like a silly speculation. But I'll say, no. In our hyper-individualistic society, and considering our American instinct for defiance of the establishment, I think I would still value voting for the candidate whose values most closely align with my own, rather than playing some "lesser of two evils" game. Either way, credit me for seeking out a state that has gone consistently blue for a while, at least.

ETA after seeing what HAS happened in Gaza and believing that blood is very much on Kamala's own hands (among other criticisms but let's limit this thought to this thread for now), I don't think I could bring myself to know I supported that shit. The choice between literal Hitler or only like Diet Coke Hitler is still too much Hitler for me.

As for suggesting I watch what the next few months look like, then realize, what you expect the next few months might look like, is the exact same concern so many voters have had for what the last year-plus has already looked like.

I just really don't think your point of "you should have voted for Kamala so that what is already happening doesn't maybe happen even more" is really the point you think it is.

[jfish26]

I don't think you should scamper away from the question, and it's not a challenging thing to speculate about: if your vote mattered, how would you have cast it?

[MICHHAWK]

everything that happens or doesn't happen for like the next 2+ years. will be the fault of the current administration. the stink is going to linger for a good long while.

around the beginning of 2027 is when we can fairly start to dissect the dt/whoeverthevpis administration.

[BiggDick]

I don't think you should scamper away from the question, and it's not a challenging thing to speculate about: if your vote mattered, how would you have cast it?

I didn't scamper away.

I did add an ETA for what it's worth. And after thinking about it more, and before I saw your comment, I changed my "probably not" to a solid "no."

Also "if your vote mattered" is a pretty fucked up thought. I think it's time to start wondering maybe if fascism is already here.

[jfish26]

everything that happens or doesn't happen for like the next 2+ years. will be the fault of the current administration. the stink is going to linger for a good long while.

around the beginning of 2027 is when we can fairly start to dissect the dt/whoeverthevpis administration.

In other words (and for example), mass deportations that tank the economy will be Biden's fault, because (in this mobile goalpost big-chair analysis) Biden's failure to close the border made the mass deportations necessary?

And Russia capturing Ukraine will be Biden's fault, because (in this mobile goalpost big-chair analysis) Biden could and should have stopped Putin?

[jfish26]

I don't think you should scamper away from the question, and it's not a challenging thing to speculate about: if your vote mattered, how would you have cast it?

I didn't scamper away.

I did add an ETA for what it's worth. And after thinking about it more, and before I saw your comment, I changed my "probably not" to a solid "no."

Also "if your vote mattered" is a pretty fucked up thought. I think it's time to start wondering maybe if fascism is already here.

It was YOU who asked for "credit for seeking out a state that has gone consistently blue for a while, at least."

Just answer the question, it's literally a one word answer.

If you lived in a state that you expected to be close, who would you have voted for?

[MICHHAWK]

i'd be curious to know how many quit their jobs in the last week. so they could become full-time internet deviants and malcontents. for the next 4+years.

maybe your job will still be there in 28.

[BiggDick]

I mean, of course the fate of the Palestinians "could have been any worse than it already has been under Biden/Harris"

and, for the sake of not scampering away - how do you think it could have been worse? And like, without deflecting to "just wait and see what Trump does!"

It's been estimated that like some 90% of Gazans have already been displaced, Palestinian or otherwise.

Doesn't it sound kinda disingenuous or something to only now at this point so suddenly be like, "but won't someone please think of that last 10 percent!"

[BiggDick]

I don't think you should scamper away from the question, and it's not a challenging thing to speculate about: if your vote mattered, how would you have cast it?

I didn't scamper away.

I did add an ETA for what it's worth. And after thinking about it more, and before I saw your comment, I changed my "probably not" to a solid "no."

Also "if your vote mattered" is a pretty fucked up thought. I think it's time to start wondering maybe if fascism is already here.

It was YOU who asked for "credit for seeking out a state that has gone consistently blue for a while, at least."

Just answer the question, it's literally a one word answer.

If you lived in a state that you expected to be close, who would you have voted for?

I already did!

Now let me answer it again: I would have voted for the candidate who I felt best represented me and my ideals, and had the best vision for the country - even if third party, in fact, very likely third party, more so than one of the two major parties, cuz I don't wanna know I supported their shit!

How bout you? Would you vote based on who you felt best represented, or based on some lesser of two evils game?

Put another way - if you had a choice between full Hitler and only like 90% Hitler, which Hitler do you choose?

[BiggDick]

i'd be curious to know how many quit their jobs in the last week. so they could become full-time internet deviants and malcontents. for the next 4+years.

maybe your job will still be there in 28.

RIP that EmployedOusdahl sock

[jfish26]

I mean, of course the fate of the Palestinians "could have been any worse than it already has been under Biden/Harris"

and, for the sake of not scampering away - how do you think it could have been worse? And like, without deflecting to "just wait and see what Trump does!"

It's been estimated that like some 90% of Gazans have already been displaced, Palestinian or otherwise.

Doesn't it sound kinda disingenuous or something to only now at this point so suddenly be like, "but won't someone please think of that last 10 percent!"

Stop putting words in my mouth. That is not anything I have said. As much as you wish I was taking an ideological position, I am not.

As a practical matter, there could be more dead/raped/displaced Palestinians. Israel could be using even more blunt measures/weapons/tactics than it has. Israel could permanently take over Gaza and the West Bank.

Shit, Israel could nuke Iran.

This, not a simple question about who you would have voted for, is silly speculation.

[jfish26]

I didn't scamper away.

I did add an ETA for what it's worth. And after thinking about it more, and before I saw your comment, I changed my "probably not" to a solid "no."

Also "if your vote mattered" is a pretty fucked up thought. I think it's time to start wondering maybe if fascism is already here.

It was YOU who asked for "credit for seeking out a state that has gone consistently blue for a while, at least."

Just answer the question, it's literally a one word answer.

If you lived in a state that you expected to be close, who would you have voted for?

I already did!

Now let me answer it again: I would have voted for the candidate who I felt best represented me and my ideals, and had the best vision for the country - even if third party, in fact, very likely third party, more so than one of the two major parties, cuz I don't wanna know I supported their shit!

How bout you? Would you vote based on who you felt best represented, or based on some lesser of two evils game?

Put another way - if you had a choice between full Hitler and only like 90% Hitler, which Hitler do you choose?

So your one-word answer, then, is: West?

[BiggDick]

yea.

already said that.

what, you think I'm one of those saps sitting here googling "how to change my vote?"