trump’s promises

[BiggDick]

oh right on.

wait, so are you not ignoring me, then?

No worries either way, I just thought you were.

[twocoach]

Do you have anything to add to the topic being discussed?

[KUTradition]

other than childish humor?

[twocoach]

other than childish humor?

I am sure there will be seven more witty posts describing how he is really just hear to challenge Hive Mind and break us all out of our cycle of news media dependency or some shit he read on his phone while dreaming up new stories about a fake date he went on.

[BiggDick]

I have plenty to add!

I input twocoach's suggested search terms into the suggested search engine, and this is the first result Google AI provided:

To reduce our usage of oil and gas, we can: transition to renewable energy sources like solar and wind power, prioritize public transportation and carpooling, improve energy efficiency in homes and buildings, reduce plastic consumption, buy locally produced goods, and advocate for policies limiting fossil fuel expansion; essentially, shifting away from oil and gas-based energy sources and adopting more sustainable practices in daily life and through policy changes.

Seems like sound ideas.

If I was running for POTUS, I think I would campaign on those sorts of ideas.

And since we're here discussing what the winning candidate promised on the matter, I got curious and googled "Kamala oil" to see what the loosing candidate said:

CNN — When Kamala Harris ran for president in 2019, she repeatedly warned oil companies they should be prepared to face hefty fines and even criminal prosecution under a future Harris administration for their role in contributing to climate change.

Now, as the Democratic nominee, Harris is highlighting the country’s record oil and gas production. She rarely talks about climate change, and, despite having been a vigorous supporter of the Green New Deal, her campaign’s website is light on climate policy details.

It’s a stark shift that illustrates the delicate politics of energy — but also how Harris has abandoned a number of progressive positions she held before joining Joe Biden’s ticket in 2020.
...
Harris’s shift on energy and climate began after joining the Biden ticket in August 2020 as the vice presidential pick. That year, she reversed her position on wanting to ban fracking, something she’d staked out in a 2019 CNN town hall.

In August of this year, a few weeks after Biden ended his bid for reelection, the Harris campaign said she no longer supports the Green New Deal. She says that she would not ban fracking and that she no longer wants to ban plastic straws.

In a local interview last month in Pennsylvania, Harris once again was forced to defend her record on wanting to ban fracking when asked about a Republican ad that highlighted her past comments.

“So let me start by saying that that ad as you described it is absolutely a mischaracterization, which I think is intended to make people afraid,” Harris replied. “I will not ban fracking. I did not as vice president.”
...


https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/15/politics ... index.html

[DeletedUser]

Didn't you declare that you quit the politics board yesterday?

That didn't last very long.

[jfish26]

I have plenty to add!

I input twocoach's suggested search terms into the suggested search engine, and this is the first result Google AI provided:

To reduce our usage of oil and gas, we can: transition to renewable energy sources like solar and wind power, prioritize public transportation and carpooling, improve energy efficiency in homes and buildings, reduce plastic consumption, buy locally produced goods, and advocate for policies limiting fossil fuel expansion; essentially, shifting away from oil and gas-based energy sources and adopting more sustainable practices in daily life and through policy changes.

Seems like sound ideas.

If I was running for POTUS, I think I would campaign on those sorts of ideas.

And since we're here discussing what the winning candidate promised on the matter, I got curious and googled "Kamala oil" to see what the loosing candidate said:

CNN — When Kamala Harris ran for president in 2019, she repeatedly warned oil companies they should be prepared to face hefty fines and even criminal prosecution under a future Harris administration for their role in contributing to climate change.

Now, as the Democratic nominee, Harris is highlighting the country’s record oil and gas production. She rarely talks about climate change, and, despite having been a vigorous supporter of the Green New Deal, her campaign’s website is light on climate policy details.

It’s a stark shift that illustrates the delicate politics of energy — but also how Harris has abandoned a number of progressive positions she held before joining Joe Biden’s ticket in 2020.
...
Harris’s shift on energy and climate began after joining the Biden ticket in August 2020 as the vice presidential pick. That year, she reversed her position on wanting to ban fracking, something she’d staked out in a 2019 CNN town hall.

In August of this year, a few weeks after Biden ended his bid for reelection, the Harris campaign said she no longer supports the Green New Deal. She says that she would not ban fracking and that she no longer wants to ban plastic straws.

In a local interview last month in Pennsylvania, Harris once again was forced to defend her record on wanting to ban fracking when asked about a Republican ad that highlighted her past comments.

“So let me start by saying that that ad as you described it is absolutely a mischaracterization, which I think is intended to make people afraid,” Harris replied. “I will not ban fracking. I did not as vice president.”
...


https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/15/politics ... index.html

Is this all a “I wish Trump had won by a 2:1 margin” kink?

[DeletedUser]

other than childish humor?

It's like he forgets that damn near everyone on this site (maybe everyone?) is close to 40 or older.

I get enough Billy Madison style humor from my actual 7 and 11 year olds. The luster has worn off of almost 40 something year old class clowns (especially ones who also moonlight as worldwide political experts).

Childish stuff (nonstop) just doesn't make me laugh (as much) anymore.

[BiggDick]

man I wish I was as funny as Billy Madison.

[BiggDick]

Is this all a “I wish Trump had won by a 2:1 margin” kink?

ha. no, not at all.

If anything, it's a "maybe Kamala would have fared better against Trump if she actually articulated some campaign idea better than Trump's rather than otherwise campaigning as Trump-Lite" kink.

[KUTradition]

i wish people that can’t help but hate on Harris would’ve actually just informed themselves on her stances prior to the election

civic duty and all that…

i guess some are too lazy to do the work to inform themselves

[TDub]

i wish people that can’t help but hate on Harris would’ve actually just informed themselves on her stances prior to the election

civic duty and all that…

i guess some are too lazy to do the work to inform themselves

well the good news, is the ones who voted based on the Palestine issue really made a difference.

Now we've got a guy who is openly saying he will remove

[twocoach]

I have plenty to add!

I input twocoach's suggested search terms into the suggested search engine, and this is the first result Google AI provided:

To reduce our usage of oil and gas, we can: transition to renewable energy sources like solar and wind power, prioritize public transportation and carpooling, improve energy efficiency in homes and buildings, reduce plastic consumption, buy locally produced goods, and advocate for policies limiting fossil fuel expansion; essentially, shifting away from oil and gas-based energy sources and adopting more sustainable practices in daily life and through policy changes.

Seems like sound ideas.

If I was running for POTUS, I think I would campaign on those sorts of ideas.

And since we're here discussing what the winning candidate promised on the matter, I got curious and googled "Kamala oil" to see what the loosing candidate said:

CNN — When Kamala Harris ran for president in 2019, she repeatedly warned oil companies they should be prepared to face hefty fines and even criminal prosecution under a future Harris administration for their role in contributing to climate change.

Now, as the Democratic nominee, Harris is highlighting the country’s record oil and gas production. She rarely talks about climate change, and, despite having been a vigorous supporter of the Green New Deal, her campaign’s website is light on climate policy details.

It’s a stark shift that illustrates the delicate politics of energy — but also how Harris has abandoned a number of progressive positions she held before joining Joe Biden’s ticket in 2020.
...
Harris’s shift on energy and climate began after joining the Biden ticket in August 2020 as the vice presidential pick. That year, she reversed her position on wanting to ban fracking, something she’d staked out in a 2019 CNN town hall.

In August of this year, a few weeks after Biden ended his bid for reelection, the Harris campaign said she no longer supports the Green New Deal. She says that she would not ban fracking and that she no longer wants to ban plastic straws.

In a local interview last month in Pennsylvania, Harris once again was forced to defend her record on wanting to ban fracking when asked about a Republican ad that highlighted her past comments.

“So let me start by saying that that ad as you described it is absolutely a mischaracterization, which I think is intended to make people afraid,” Harris replied. “I will not ban fracking. I did not as vice president.”
...


https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/15/politics ... index.html

It's almost like every election has to focus primarily on the core issues that are important to voters...that doesn't mean that she has abandoned these. But when you have a limited amount of time to campaign, you have to focus on the biggest items that matter to people. I doubt if talking about a desire to get rid of plastic straws is going to move the needle on picking up new votes or motivating unmotivated people to get out and vote.

But if you don't think that the Biden Harris administration has made a concerted effort to adress exactly the things your google search recommended then you aren't trying hard enough.

https://www.transit.dot.gov/about/news/ ... or-transit

"Today, U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg recommended that 14 large transit projects in 11 states receive nearly $4 billion in federal support for construction as part of President Biden's Fiscal Year (FY) 2025 Budget Request to Congress. These rail and bus rapid transit (BRT) projects will bring about transformative change in their communities by providing transit opportunities to new riders, creating jobs, and jumpstarting economic development. President Biden’s Investing in America agenda is putting historic investment into public transportation, including nearly $100 billion from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law to support transit agencies of all sizes."

https://www.transportation.gov/briefing ... ufacturing

"The U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Transit Administration (FTA) today announced approximately $1.5 billion in funding to support 117 projects that will improve public transportation in 47 states. Under the President’s historic Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, FTA has awarded nearly $5 billion in the past three years to replace and modernize transit buses on America’s roadways, building new technology with American workers. U.S. factories will produce more than 4,600 of these new buses."

NOTE that these will be AMERICAN MADE busses and AMERICAN jobs.

https://www.transportation.gov/briefing ... additional

"The U.S. Department of Transportation’s Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) today continued its historic investment in passenger rail with nearly $1.5 billion for 19 projects along the Northeast Corridor (NEC). Funding made possible by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law and administered through FRA’s Federal-State Partnership for Intercity Passenger Rail Program (Fed-State NEC) will further repair and replace vital NEC infrastructure to provide faster, safer, and more reliable service for travelers and commuters."

The list goes on and on and on. It's not sexy work but it is necessary work. That work is the base that must be built to support the hugely complicated new infrastructure that our nation will need to move away from so much usage of traditional oil and gas. Anyone who thinks that the solution to reducing our dependency on oil is going to be one quick, easy thing that fits in a slogan like "Drill, Baby, Drill!" is just not being serious.

[twocoach]

Is this all a “I wish Trump had won by a 2:1 margin” kink?

ha. no, not at all.

If anything, it's a "maybe Kamala would have fared better against Trump if she actually articulated some campaign idea better than Trump's rather than otherwise campaigning as Trump-Lite" kink.

They are articulated ALL OVER the fucking place. I found all of this in five seconds. The problem is that most American voters are not mentally curious enough to seek it out or too partisan to intake it as truth. They either believe that the info doesn't exist like you are claiming or don't believe it when provided the information.

[DeletedUser]

Does anyone think Ousdahl watched one entire campaign rally, interview, or townhall with Kamala?

I don't.

[BiggDick]

thanks for compiling all those links and info, twocoach.

fwiw I generally view official government media as particularly prone to partisan and/or propagandistic slants, at least more so than a "free" press source, but think everything should be taken with a certain grain of salt either way.

Indeed, American voters at-large are def not "mentally curious enough." And yea, DEFINITELY "too partisan to intake it as truth."

With much of Biden's infrastructure initiatives, pretty sure much of it is now going to be left to Trump to decide whether to finish the job.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-AA1tV2TF

and I think a lot of it is reconciling what official government websites say, with what the candidates say or may not say, as indicated by how the Harris campaign "rarely talks about climate change, and, despite having been a vigorous supporter of the Green New Deal, her campaign’s website is light on climate policy details," and a a 'few weeks after Biden ended his bid for reelection, the Harris campaign said she no longer supports the Green New Deal. She says that she would not ban fracking and that she no longer wants to ban plastic straws."

either way the whole plastic straws thing is such a gaslight too, lol. There's like less than 100 or so corporations that are responsible for the vast majority of emissions, yet the solution to the climate crisis is individuals have to stop using straws.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... since-2016

[BiggDick]

Does anyone think Ousdahl watched one entire campaign rally, interview, or townhall with Kamala?

I don't.

is it ok if I didn't necessarily "watch," but rather read transcripts published by the media shortly thereafter?

Admittedly, I don't watch much teevee any more, except for KU games, and also Billy Madison.

[jfish26]

Is this all a “I wish Trump had won by a 2:1 margin” kink?

ha. no, not at all.

If anything, it's a "maybe Kamala would have fared better against Trump if she actually articulated some campaign idea better than Trump's rather than otherwise campaigning as Trump-Lite" kink.

They are articulated ALL OVER the fucking place. I found all of this in five seconds. The problem is that most American voters are not mentally curious enough to seek it out or too partisan to intake it as truth. They either believe that the info doesn't exist like you are claiming or don't believe it when provided the information.

It didn't matter by 2024 (how, like, CNN covered Trump in 2024 was functionally irrelevant), but what we're dealing with here is the eminently-foreseeable consequence of the media normalizing Trump in 2016.

The mainstream media - which to be clear not just includes Fox but arguably is led by Fox - cynically chose to play rent-seeking bookmaker over other roles. The consequence of that choice was a profound de-emphasizing of not just the importance of, but even a minimum level of discussion of, actual policy issues.

[DeletedUser]

Does anyone think Ousdahl watched one entire campaign rally, interview, or townhall with Kamala?

I don't.

is it ok if I didn't necessarily "watch," but rather read transcripts published by the media shortly thereafter?

Admittedly, I don't watch much teevee any more, except for KU games, and also Billy Madison.

Read transcripts? Seems unlikely. Read a few articles? Seems like we're getting warmer.


You've continuously mischaracterized her campaign, and despite others providing the info for you, continue to ignore it and try create a false narrative about her (for attention).

Didn't you quit the politics board?

[BiggDick]

yea, like I said. I can't quit you, baby. Just had to put you down for a while.

I admit I didn't read every single word of entire transcripts, but yes, I did read articles that reported the details of the campaigns. Do you mean to suggest that's inadequate?

How have I mischaracterized her campaign? I've provided sources that directly report on her campaign. Rather, it may be others who mischaracterize her campaign by disregarding the own sources directly reporting her campaign to instead go for some more peripheral narrative by citing some other government websites.

Why do you think the Kamala campaign talked so rarely about climate change, to instead champion oil and gas? Or reversed her position to ban fracking? Or no longer wanted to back the Green New Deal?