Woulda Coulda Shoulda Bowl

[ChalkRocker]

sheesh, you guys

[Overlander]

I don't know who else we could get, but I think there needs to be a penalty for that level of screw-up. This team could be undefeated right now, rather than scrapping for a shot at the Toilet Bowl and chalking up another loss to KSUck. That's unacceptable.

So, you feel Grimes should be PUNISHED?

Seems like a great plan, start the whole thing over again next year.

Wow, you disagree with an opinion of mine? Color me surprised.

Probably will as long as you keep saying dumb shit.

You do realize that Grimes has been the OC the past 3 games, right?

[JKLivin]

So, you feel Grimes should be PUNISHED?

Seems like a great plan, start the whole thing over again next year.

Wow, you disagree with an opinion of mine? Color me surprised.

Probably will as long as you keep saying dumb shit.

You do realize that Grimes has been the OC the past 3 games, right?

Also all 6 games they lost that they should’ve won. If your salesmen don’t meet their quota for six out of nine months, do you keep them around?

[Overlander]

Wow, you disagree with an opinion of mine? Color me surprised.

Probably will as long as you keep saying dumb shit.

You do realize that Grimes has been the OC the past 3 games, right?

Also all 6 games they lost that they should’ve won. If your salesmen don’t meet their quota for six out of nine months, do you keep them around?

I will spell it for you in the easiest way I can.

When you build a management TEAM, you start first and foremost with qualified applicants that seem to have the experience that fit the position.

The next step is to meet with them personally, get a feel for them, see how they interact and communicate. Ask probing questions and set up scenarios to see how they respond (heavy focus on values and analytic intelligence).

Then, you have a small percentage of who your TEAM feels are the best fits, and then have those applicants meet with your entire management TEAM so that they can get a feel for how the applicants whittle down to one, by committee decision for the hire.

Often, there is a learning curve. The new member of your TEAM has to acclimate, see how the land lays. They need to figure out how to work our known, best practices into their personal habits.

The method of giving them 2 weeks to prove themselves as “sales people” is car lot crap.

I have had some highly skilled and extremely successful staff come through my stores who had unremarkable starts. I saw the potential and helped them identify their pain points and better techniques. If they have a real potential for success, the only way that they fail is if I helped them fail.

[JKLivin]

Probably will as long as you keep saying dumb shit.

You do realize that Grimes has been the OC the past 3 games, right?

Also all 6 games they lost that they should’ve won. If your salesmen don’t meet their quota for six out of nine months, do you keep them around?

I will spell it for you in the easiest way I can.

When you build a management TEAM, you start first and foremost with qualified applicants that seem to have the experience that fit the position.

The next step is to meet with them personally, get a feel for them, see how they interact and communicate. Ask probing questions and set up scenarios to see how they respond (heavy focus on values and analytic intelligence).

Then, you have a small percentage of who your TEAM feels are the best fits, and then have those applicants meet with your entire management TEAM so that they can get a feel for how the applicants whittle down to one, by committee decision for the hire.

Often, there is a learning curve. The new member of your TEAM has to acclimate, see how the land lays. They need to figure out how to work our known, best practices into their personal habits.

The method of giving them 2 weeks to prove themselves as “sales people” is car lot crap.

I have had some highly skilled and extremely successful staff come through my stores who had unremarkable starts. I saw the potential and helped them identify their pain points and better techniques. If they have a real potential for success, the only way that they fail is if I helped them fail.

And you pay all of them $800k for this subpar year and raise it to $1 million for year two, I presume? Building a TEAM and all that?

[AlOerter]

Regardless of how anyone feels about coordinators, my faith in Lance Leipold as a winning program builder is renewed after these last 3 games. I've been critical of both sides of the ball but those are quality teams they beat. Can't imagine even sniffing those victories pre-Leipold - post-Mangino.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

So, you feel Grimes should be PUNISHED?

Seems like a great plan, start the whole thing over again next year.

Wow, you disagree with an opinion of mine? Color me surprised.

Probably will as long as you keep saying dumb shit.

You do realize that Grimes has been the OC the past 3 games, right?

1 of those 3 games the offense wasn't very good.
I am NOT calling for Grimes to be let go but I wouldn't be heartbroken if he was.
Fwiw, if I am not mistaken.....
Ohio State's OC is in his first season.
Penn State's OC is in his first season.
Notre Dame's OC is in his first season.
Indiana's OC is in his first season.
Alabama's OC is in his first season.
Arizona State's OC is in his first season.
Iowa State's OC is in his first season.
Tulane's OC is in his first season.
A&M's OC is in his first season.
That's 9 out of 20 of the current top 20 teams who have 1st year OCs.

[AlOerter]

Play calling was definitely an issue the first half of the season. Additionally, how many times did we give up touchdowns in the last minutes of both halves? Defense has improved as well. To me the biggest difference has been the play of Jalen Daniels. It's like somebody flipped a switch. Doesn't look like the same player. Some of it was rust, some of it was confidence, and some of it was play calling. But JD was just making bad decisions a lot of the time. His resurgence has elevated the play of the entire team.

[hartjack8]

[Overlander]

Also all 6 games they lost that they should’ve won. If your salesmen don’t meet their quota for six out of nine months, do you keep them around?

I will spell it for you in the easiest way I can.

When you build a management TEAM, you start first and foremost with qualified applicants that seem to have the experience that fit the position.

The next step is to meet with them personally, get a feel for them, see how they interact and communicate. Ask probing questions and set up scenarios to see how they respond (heavy focus on values and analytic intelligence).

Then, you have a small percentage of who your TEAM feels are the best fits, and then have those applicants meet with your entire management TEAM so that they can get a feel for how the applicants whittle down to one, by committee decision for the hire.

Often, there is a learning curve. The new member of your TEAM has to acclimate, see how the land lays. They need to figure out how to work our known, best practices into their personal habits.

The method of giving them 2 weeks to prove themselves as “sales people” is car lot crap.

I have had some highly skilled and extremely successful staff come through my stores who had unremarkable starts. I saw the potential and helped them identify their pain points and better techniques. If they have a real potential for success, the only way that they fail is if I helped them fail.

And you pay all of them $800k for this subpar year and raise it to $1 million for year two, I presume? Building a TEAM and all that?

The numbers wouldn’t be the same, but maybe the percentages vs revenue would.

Am I better off with a quality employee being 1 more year experienced and most likely better skilled? Absolutely.

Do you take the C students out to the hallway and send them packing? Or is it not your job to help them become B or higher students?

[hartjack8]

Grimes is not going anywhere but these guys will be.

[Overlander]

Play calling was definitely an issue the first half of the season. Additionally, how many times did we give up touchdowns in the last minutes of both halves? Defense has improved as well. To me the biggest difference has been the play of Jalen Daniels. It's like somebody flipped a switch. Doesn't look like the same player. Some of it was rust, some of it was confidence, and some of it was play calling. But JD was just making bad decisions a lot of the time. His resurgence has elevated the play of the entire team.

Gutter touched on this several times this season. Daniels was NOT himself early this season.

And yes, it wasn’t Grimes’ job to stop the other team from scoring.

Just bad circumstances early on, and to try to find one person to blame, while not realizing that our past 4 games we have been well above average is just silly.

[JKLivin]

I will spell it for you in the easiest way I can.

When you build a management TEAM, you start first and foremost with qualified applicants that seem to have the experience that fit the position.

The next step is to meet with them personally, get a feel for them, see how they interact and communicate. Ask probing questions and set up scenarios to see how they respond (heavy focus on values and analytic intelligence).

Then, you have a small percentage of who your TEAM feels are the best fits, and then have those applicants meet with your entire management TEAM so that they can get a feel for how the applicants whittle down to one, by committee decision for the hire.

Often, there is a learning curve. The new member of your TEAM has to acclimate, see how the land lays. They need to figure out how to work our known, best practices into their personal habits.

The method of giving them 2 weeks to prove themselves as “sales people” is car lot crap.

I have had some highly skilled and extremely successful staff come through my stores who had unremarkable starts. I saw the potential and helped them identify their pain points and better techniques. If they have a real potential for success, the only way that they fail is if I helped them fail.

And you pay all of them $800k for this subpar year and raise it to $1 million for year two, I presume? Building a TEAM and all that?

The numbers wouldn’t be the same, but maybe the percentages vs revenue would.

Am I better off with a quality employee being 1 more year experienced and most likely better skilled? Absolutely.

Do you take the C students out to the hallway and send them packing? Or is it not your job to help them become B or higher students?

Grimes is 56 years old, and had a three year stint as OC at BYU and two years as OC at Baylor. He’s not a rookie in need of development.

[Overlander]

And you pay all of them $800k for this subpar year and raise it to $1 million for year two, I presume? Building a TEAM and all that?

The numbers wouldn’t be the same, but maybe the percentages vs revenue would.

Am I better off with a quality employee being 1 more year experienced and most likely better skilled? Absolutely.

Do you take the C students out to the hallway and send them packing? Or is it not your job to help them become B or higher students?

Grimes is 56 years old, and had a three year stint as OC at BYU and two years as OC at Baylor. He’s not a rookie in need of development.

Oh, I see. He WAS really qualified and very experienced. For sure, fire his ass.

Especially since it was he and he alone who controlled and contributed to the TEAMs failings.

[JKLivin]

The numbers wouldn’t be the same, but maybe the percentages vs revenue would.

Am I better off with a quality employee being 1 more year experienced and most likely better skilled? Absolutely.

Do you take the C students out to the hallway and send them packing? Or is it not your job to help them become B or higher students?

Grimes is 56 years old, and had a three year stint as OC at BYU and two years as OC at Baylor. He’s not a rookie in need of development.

Oh, I see. He WAS really qualified and very experienced. For sure, fire his ass.

Especially since it was he and he alone who controlled and contributed to the TEAMs failings.

Baylor fired him. Apparently, they thought he was the problem.

This is not a standard workplace. With these stakes and these salaries, you produce or you find yourself unemployed. Given the tools he had at his disposal this season, a 6-6 season is inexcusable.

[ChalkRocker]

thread sucks

[Shirley]

thread sucks

^^^

I blame B2L.




And Grimes. Definitely, Grimes.

[Overlander]

Grimes is 56 years old, and had a three year stint as OC at BYU and two years as OC at Baylor. He’s not a rookie in need of development.

Oh, I see. He WAS really qualified and very experienced. For sure, fire his ass.

Especially since it was he and he alone who controlled and contributed to the TEAMs failings.

Baylor fired him. Apparently, they thought he was the problem.

This is not a standard workplace. With these stakes and these salaries, you produce or you find yourself unemployed. Given the tools he had at his disposal this season, a 6-6 season is inexcusable.

So, ignore the turn around late season?

Grimes was merely a spectator for that?

[JKLivin]

Oh, I see. He WAS really qualified and very experienced. For sure, fire his ass.

Especially since it was he and he alone who controlled and contributed to the TEAMs failings.

Baylor fired him. Apparently, they thought he was the problem.

This is not a standard workplace. With these stakes and these salaries, you produce or you find yourself unemployed. Given the tools he had at his disposal this season, a 6-6 season is inexcusable.

So, ignore the turn around late season?

Grimes was merely a spectator for that?

The turnaround has been great. Still should be 10-1 at worst right now. And lost to KSUck again, which is inexcusable. The last three games don’t make up for that. This should have been a special, program-defining year.

[twocoach]

Baylor fired him. Apparently, they thought he was the problem.

This is not a standard workplace. With these stakes and these salaries, you produce or you find yourself unemployed. Given the tools he had at his disposal this season, a 6-6 season is inexcusable.

So, ignore the turn around late season?

Grimes was merely a spectator for that?

The turnaround has been great. Still should be 10-1 at worst right now. And lost to KSUck again, which is inexcusable. The last three games don’t make up for that. This should have been a special, program-defining year.

Andy Reid is still figuring out how to run an offense led by Patrick Mahomes throwing to some pretty damn amazing players. It didn't help that Jalon Daniels made an insanely high percentage of terrible decisions late in both halves of numerous games in a row. I personally do not think he was fully physically and mechanically ready from his back issues. Maybe they kept the reps down in preseason and that is why he was behind. The flip side is that maybe that is the only reason we have him this late in the season doing as well as he is. Who knows, backs are a finicky thing.

I wouldn't have a problem with KU keeping their ear open on the unofficial level to see if a promising upgrade becomes available but I don't think you just fire Grimes cold right when the season ends. I think even Grimes would understand when he hears KU is listening to job pitches to replace him. Sometimes coaches need a little motivation heading into the offseason to ensure they are ready once the new season begins.