Evil Rich People

[twocoach]

And did we mention that only Congress can create a new federal agency?

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/13/nx-s1-51 ... ral-agency

[Overlander]

I can only imagine the perks that come with destroying an empire though.

[Overlander]

And did we mention that only Congress can create a new federal agency?

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/13/nx-s1-51 ... ral-agency

We shall see

[jfish26]

And did we mention that only Congress can create a new federal agency?

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/13/nx-s1-51 ... ral-agency

We shall see

I saw a take recently that I agree with (but can't find) - essentially all of this is going to be a lobbying arm for the kleptocrat right, but under official cover (and, with that, the implicit threat of official consequences).

[Overlander]

And did we mention that only Congress can create a new federal agency?

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/13/nx-s1-51 ... ral-agency

We shall see

I saw a take recently that I agree with (but can't find) - essentially all of this is going to be a lobbying arm for the kleptocrat right, but under official cover (and, with that, the implicit threat of official consequences).

Just as Bannon drew it up.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

He keeps doing this shit knowing he's immune to punishment.
He's one of the biggest pieces of shit on the planet

[jfish26]

Trump’s Crypto Scheme: A Layer Cake of Corruption

America is a banana republic now.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trumps-cry ... layer-cake

1. DJT

Yesterday the Financial Times reported that the Trump Media and Technology Group (DJT)—of which I am a shareholder—was in talks to buy a cryptocurrency exchange.

This may not seem like much, but it’s a layer cake of corruption and it’s taking place in broad daylight. Walk through the layers with me.

(1) How is DJT going to buy anything? Isn’t the company a joke? This is such a good question. So far in 2024 DJT has reported a grand total of $2.6 million in revenue.

That’s not a typo.

I’d like to give you a sense of scale here. An individual McDonald’s restaurant brings in north of $3 million a year.

So DJT as a company does a bit less business than your neighborhood Mickey D’s. There’s a difference, though. Individual McDonald’s locations average somewhere around 15 percent profits annually.

DJT does . . . not.

In the third quarter of this year—just a three-month period—DJT lost $19 million. And this rate of spend is increasing. For all of 2023, DJT lost $33 million.

(2) So how does DJT have the money to buy a crypto exchange?

DJT is not a business. A business generates revenue through some economic activity—making widgets, giving massages, trading derivatives.

The only meaningful economic activity DJT participates in is the issuance of shares in the company. I’d argue that DJT is best understood as a repository of value in the person of Donald Trump. There are three ways in which it functions:

* A token for people who believe in Trump.

* A vehicle for investors who speculate on the behavior of people who believe in Trump.

* A mechanism for those seeking to funnel money to Trump as a means of influencing him.

While these three functions are not businesses in the traditional sense, they have generated a great deal of money in the form of stock valuation.

The current market capitalization of DJT is $7.12b—that’s billion. Which gives DJT a P/E ratio of I’m sorry but I can’t stop laughing.

Only, it’s not a joke. With a $7.12b market cap, DJT has the ability to buy companies simply by paying with shares of its stock.

(3) Okay, so DJT is going to buy this crypto exchange by paying with shares of its stock. Why would DJT want to own a crypto exchange?

This is such a good question and I have an answer:

Crypto exchanges exist in a murky regulatory space. Some cryptocurrencies are considered by the government to be securities, and as such they fall under the jurisdiction of the SEC. Markets that function as clearinghouses for such crypto securities are similarly subject to SEC regs.

If a crypto exchange could guarantee that it would not be investigated by the SEC or become subject to any new SEC regulations, that would be a valuable asset.

Raise your hand if you think there is any chance—any chance at all—that under President Trump the SEC would dare to so much as look in the direction of a crypto exchange owned by DJT.

(4) Sure, but at least this crypto exchange was on the up-and-up pre-DJT purchase talks?

Buckle up: The crypto exchange in question is called Bakkt.

The FT writes that Bakkt, “which has struggled for profitability since its launch,” was created by Intercontinental Exchange (ICE), the company that owns the New York Stock Exchange, and that “still holds a 55 per cent economic interest” in Bakkt.

Bakkt’s first chief executive was Kelly Loeffler, a former head of marketing at ICE and a Republican ex-senator for Georgia during Trump’s first presidency. She is co-chair of the committee organising his inauguration in January. She is also married to Jeff Sprecher, ICE’s founder, chair and chief executive.

You may recall that in 2020, Kelly Loeffler was asked if Trump had ever done or said anything she disagreed with. Ever. She said no.

Or maybe you remember her ad comparing herself to Attila the Hun and bragging about a “100 percent Trump voting record.”

Loeffler is no longer at Bakkt, but her husband still owns the majority of the (failing) company.

Let me bottom-line it all for you:

Trump is looking to buy a moribund crypto exchange owned by the husband of one of his Republican sycophants/allies/donors. He’s going to pay for the acquisition with stock, the price of which is inflated to ludicrous levels by a combination of cultists, speculators, and people seeking to influence him.

The value proposition for this merger is that, as president, Trump can make sure the SEC doesn’t touch this exchange, while also giving actors who hope to influence him another way to shove money in his direction.

And all of this is so commonplace and unremarkable that no one is going to even pause for a moment to question it.

One more thing: You may have noticed that Trump has promised Elon Musk that he will run something called the Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE.

DOGE is—by total coincidence—the symbol for dogecoin, a cryptocurrency project that Musk has long favored. You can read about his long history with dogecoin here.

It has long been speculated that Musk owns some non-trivial amount of dogecoin. Following the election and the announcement of the DOGE, the price of dogecoin spiked, giving the currency a total market value of $55 billion. Did any of that value accrue to Musk?

Who can say!

What we can say is that Musk seems to be hiring for the Department of Government Efficiency. And this process involves submitting an application through direct message on Twitter—which requires paying for a premium Twitter subscription.

Follow this with me: Trump makes up a department. He puts Musk in charge of it. The department is named in such as way as to drive up the value of one of Musk’s (alleged) holdings. And in order for people to even apply for jobs in this department, they have to pay another company that Musk owns.

And none of this action needs to be hidden.

It’s like an open-air drug market for government corruption.

[JKLivin]

He keeps doing this shit knowing he's immune to punishment.
He's one of the biggest pieces of shit on the planet

Agreed. Fauci is the worst. Hope he dies in prison.

[KUTradition]

He keeps doing this shit knowing he's immune to punishment.
He's one of the biggest pieces of shit on the planet

Agreed. Fauci is the worst. Hope he dies in prison.

nah…bigots are worse

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

He keeps doing this shit knowing he's immune to punishment.
He's one of the biggest pieces of shit on the planet

Agreed. Fauci is the worst. Hope he dies in prison.

nah…bigots are worse

Imagine if Fauci is/was a Jew.

Back to Musk.
There are smart people in this country who are getting off on how the man is probably the most powerful person in the United States and it's as if they want to see him play the role of Dr. Evil in real life.
As far as the shit/stunts he pulls on X/Twitter, of course HE personally would not read any response/s I made to him, but I 100% admit I don't respond because I believe his people (define that as you will) could/would potentially make my life a living hell if I did as such.
In that regard, +1 pdub and crimson.com -1 Musk and X/Twitter.

[jfish26]

Hey look, an evil rich person making death threats.

[BiggDick]

I like how this thread started with some meltdowny mocking title and theme, but more and more now everyone is like, ok so yea maybe these rich people really are evil.

[zsn]

Hey look, an evil rich person making death threats.

They should put the discovery and depositions on PPV. I’d pay to watch.

[jfish26]

Hey look, an evil rich person making death threats.

They should put the discovery and depositions on PPV. I’d pay to watch.

Oh there are folks downright itchy for show trials. We will get show trials.

But I don’t think that’s exactly what you had in mind!

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I like how this thread started with some meltdowny mocking title and theme, but more and more now everyone is like, ok so yea maybe these rich people really are evil.

"these"?
Sure, some/many(?) of "these" that have been discussed on this thread really are evil.
Guess what?!?! Some/many(?) rich people are not evil.
You know what else? Some/many(?) poor people really are evil. Some/(many?) are not.
There you have it. A perfect example of Gutterism 101.

[Back2Lawrence]

I like how this thread started with some meltdowny mocking title and theme, but more and more now everyone is like, ok so yea maybe these rich people really are evil.

"these"?
Sure, some/many(?) of "these" that have been discussed on this thread really are evil.
Guess what?!?! Some/many(?) rich people are not evil.
You know what else? Some/many(?) poor people really are evil. Some/(many?) are not.
There you have it. A perfect example of Gutterism 101.

An evil homeless person might influence a couple dozen lives a day. An evil ultra-rich (mega, uber, richer than you, me, etc) person might influence a couple million, or more.

I’ll let individuals decide which they think is ‘worse’.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I like how this thread started with some meltdowny mocking title and theme, but more and more now everyone is like, ok so yea maybe these rich people really are evil.

"these"?
Sure, some/many(?) of "these" that have been discussed on this thread really are evil.
Guess what?!?! Some/many(?) rich people are not evil.
You know what else? Some/many(?) poor people really are evil. Some/(many?) are not.
There you have it. A perfect example of Gutterism 101.

An evil homeless person might influence a couple dozen lives a day. An evil ultra-rich (mega, uber, richer than you, me, etc) person might influence a couple million, or more.

I’ll let individuals decide which they think is ‘worse’.

Not every poor person is homeless but....

Yes, it is true that "An evil ultra-rich (mega, uber, richer than you, me, etc) person might influence a couple million, or more" lives than an evil poor/homeless person.

It's also true that a virtuous/kind "ultra-rich (mega, uber, richer than you, me, etc) person might influence a couple million, or more" than a virtuous/kind poor/homeless person.

You're free to decide which you think is worse.

[zsn]

Hey look, an evil rich person making death threats.

They should put the discovery and depositions on PPV. I’d pay to watch.

Oh there are folks downright itchy for show trials. We will get show trials.

But I don’t think that’s exactly what you had in mind!

Correct. I’m guessing (hoping) some lawyer(s) is/are preparing a defamation/libel suit for a few billion dollars. “Put up or pay up, Elon”.

[BiggDick]

"virtuous/kind ultra rich person" is an oxymoron.

and, yeah, sure, there's evil poor people too. But evilness is not an inherent feature of being poor.

saying some rich people are not evil is like saying some fat people are not gluttonous.

The only way you can get less fat is by addressing the gluttony.

now, come on you guys, it's Thanksgiving. Let's just try to enjoy the holiday. It would simply be inappropriate to chug mulled wine and rant politics around the dinner table.



...jk LOL that's like exactly what Thanksgiving is for!


As soon as the fam gets a round of mulled wine in em imma get up on my soapbox and spew the Qusdahl propaganda so hard my drunk auntie across the table will be looking at me like this:

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

"virtuous/kind ultra rich person" is an oxymoron.

and, yeah, sure, there's evil poor people too. But evilness is not an inherent feature of being poor.

saying some rich people are not evil is like saying some fat people are not gluttonous.

The only way you can get less fat is by addressing the gluttony.

now, come on you guys, it's Thanksgiving. Let's just try to enjoy the holiday. It would simply be inappropriate to chug mulled wine and rant politics around the dinner table.



...jk LOL that's like exactly what Thanksgiving is for!


As soon as the fam gets a round of mulled wine in em imma get up on my soapbox and spew the Qusdahl propaganda so hard my drunk auntie across the table will be looking at me like this:

No, it's not an oxymoron - to me - but I understand how and why it is to others when thinking about evil rich people.
Call me what you will but I consider myself to be extremely fortunate to have been surrounded by "virtuous/kind ultra rich people" in my life. The evil ones, not so much. Yeah - fuck 'em.
To me, "evilness is not an inherent feature" of being rich. But it can be.

Gutterism 201.