NCAA 2024/2025

[KUTradition]

i know you like anecdotes, but there’s plenty more examples of kids NOT developing, eventually blowing their shot after leaving

Yesufu
Pettiford
Mj Rice
Anrio Adams
The kid who transferred to BYU (don't remember name).
Frankamp

The list might be longer of guys that didn't develop that those who did. Grimes is probably the best success story that comes to mind.



Zuby comes with his own issues. He's having a great year. But do we really want a 6'9 center?

Udeh, is offensively limited. Pairing him with DH and KJ isn't ideal.

We weren't going to keep both. Not sure which I'd have rather had looking back.

I prefer HD over both. Especially since we got 2 years out of HD.

OTOH, having a center who could move his feet on defense would be a plus.

and then all you’d do is complain about his lack of consistent scoring

[DeletedUser]

pining over guys who, at least from the outside, appear to have simply quit and didn’t want to compete

it’s odd

I'd need to know for sure whether they quit or whether they were forced out.

But yes, 1 year guys at KU. I don't see them as more jayhawk than Hunter simply because they came the year before NIL became legal.

Hunter may be obnoxious in many ways, but he's been very respectful towards KU in my opinion. Tries to say the right things. Tries to be a leader and good teammate.

He isn't nearly as selfish as I expected.

Definitely not everyone's cup of tea, though.

[KUTradition]

pining over guys who, at least from the outside, appear to have simply quit and didn’t want to compete

it’s odd

I'd need to know for sure whether they quit or whether they were forced out.

given that we brought in Parker to shore up the front court after they both peaced out, i think it’s pretty safe to assume it was their choice to leave

[pdub]

We absolutely would have kept both if not for Hunter.

[DeletedUser]

We absolutely would have kept both if not for Hunter.

I mean, maybe? They weren't both going to be starters and clearly neither was willing to be a backup. So, hard to know for sure imo.

[pdub]

How do you know that?
You do not.

I think it’s likely they would have been good with just having good minutes and competing for a starting spot at Kansas. But Hunter was clearly going to take that spot.

[BiggDick]

I kinda wonder if Zuby might have stayed, had Ernest bailed first.

[DeletedUser]

How do you know that?

That they both wouldn't have started? Or that they weren't willing to be backups?

[Shirley]

i know you like anecdotes, but there’s plenty more examples of kids NOT developing, eventually blowing their shot after leaving

Yesufu
Pettiford
Mj Rice
Anrio Adams
The kid who transferred to BYU (don't remember name).
Frankamp

The list might be longer of guys that didn't develop that those who did. Grimes is probably the best success story that comes to mind.



Zuby comes with his own issues. He's having a great year. But do we really want a 6'9 center?

Udeh, is offensively limited. Pairing him with DH and KJ isn't ideal.

We weren't going to keep both. Not sure which I'd have rather had looking back.

I prefer HD over both. Especially since we got 2 years out of HD.

pining over guys who, at least from the outside, appear to have simply quit and didn’t want to compete

it’s odd

and yes, i guarantee the list is longer of those who failed (relatively speaking), than succeeded after transferring

edit: lol at comparing success at Grand Canyon to KU…just silly

^^^

You know you're living in tall cotton*, when you have a 2× Consensus second-team All-American (2021, 2024), on your team, and he's just not good enough. smh




*The idiom "Living in tall cotton" means being in a prosperous or advantageous situation. It originated in the American South, where high cotton referred to the tall, healthy cotton plants that were abundant and profitable. So, saying someone is living in high cotton means they are doing well, whether financially, socially, or otherwise.

The first several times I heard the phrase, it was by Black people. Before looking up the meaning of the phrase, I assumed it meant that the slaves lives were better when the cotton plants grew taller, because they weren't forced to bend over so far to pick the bolls.

[Back2Lawrence]

I think HD is great at basketball, mostly, offensively. But he’s very unlikeable and wish he hadn’t come here.

Has nothing to do with having it good, from my perspective. Ive disliked other KU players that contributed greatly, too.

The idea that this thought process is in any way perverse, is, well, perverse to me.

[DeletedUser]

Aj Storr? Been a lot of talk about effort. Self also said Aj practiced shitty all week after Creighton.

He probably just needs 30min a game instead of 22min a game. That should fix it.

I can't remember who said it during the off season, but someone here is friends with a Wisonsin fan who said something like "you'll hate how he plays" in regard to effort and ball movement.

Storr was ranked in the 140s in HS. Played a decent amount his freshman year at St Johns (like 20ish min per game), then scored a lot his sophomore year at Wisonsin but on a ton of shots at an average at best %. 29 losses in those 2 years.

Now he's having to play within an offense, with other good players, without getting to take a ton of bad shots, and is being expected to compete/win on a team where you get everyone's best shot. Learning to win is a process. I felt that way with HD last year. He had to learn how to win close games at this level. Hell, Hunter is still learning to win imo. He's doing better this year, but it's still an ongoing concern.

I haven't lost faith in him completely. Especially not for next year. But he's got work to do to beat out Griffen Coit and Zeke for minutes this season.


I feel like DH and KJ know how to win. How to grind out games. I think that makes them very hard to sit on the bench regardless of their deficiencies. And it's not something you learn overnight or with a handful of extra minutes per game. It takes years to develop that stuff. It has with ALL of our great teams we've had. None do it year 1 together. And we are throwing out largely new lineups every year now.

The endless roster turnover is hurting us, even though we are killing in the transfer portal.

[TDub]

wait a minute....so....youre saying that paying these guys millions has had a negative effect on the game? That it has disrupted the roots of the game? Removed the love and made it a business transaction? Made it so nobody gives a shit anymore?


Say it ain't so. Now, who could've seen that coming??









they're going to bite the hand that feeds them though.

If the players have no love for the game, the gans aren't far behind. No love = no donations = no big booster sponsorships = reduced NIL

[pdub]

A previous me would never ever have missed KU vs MIZZOU.
I checked the box score a couple times yesterday.

[KUTradition]

wait a minute....so....youre saying that paying these guys millions has had a negative effect on the game? That it has disrupted the roots of the game? Removed the love and made it a business transaction? Made it so nobody gives a shit anymore?


Say it ain't so. Now, who could've seen that coming??









they're going to bite the hand that feeds them though.

If the players have no love for the game, the gans aren't far behind. No love = no donations = no big booster sponsorships = reduced NIL

i think it’s portal more than NIL. our feelings are exacerbated because of NIL…they’re getting paid now, so it’s their job. just do your fucking job

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

wait a minute....so....youre saying that paying these guys millions has had a negative effect on the game? That it has disrupted the roots of the game? Removed the love and made it a business transaction? Made it so nobody gives a shit anymore?


Say it ain't so. Now, who could've seen that coming??









they're going to bite the hand that feeds them though.

If the players have no love for the game, the gans aren't far behind. No love = no donations = no big booster sponsorships = reduced NIL

I assume you and others realize it was blue blood programs such as KU and UK that helped ruin college basketball and make it what it is today. Right?

As far as no donations and no big booster sponsorships - LULZ. You realize THOSE people are making money off of the current state of college basketball. Right?

[BiggDick]

without getting caught up on one or two games, and at least going forward...if we have a perimeter player putting up volume shots I'd rather have it be Storr, at least until we really know what we have in him. That's why we brought him here. Diggy too. Rylan too. Zeke too.

Let's avoid Juan taking 15+ shots a game pls. That's exactly what opponents hope they can scheme us into doing, cuz it's far more likely to work in favor of opponents than it is for us.

again, I'm surprised there's already so much "next year" talk going on. That seems like the opposite of "haven't lost faith" in this year. It's effing December. Tho to be fair, I'm not sure how much faith I have in this lineup either.

"I feel like DH and KJ know how to win. How to grind out games" just seems very at odds with reality. The last two seasons we have a 3-8 record on the road giving big minutes to those guys. Without knowing the exact numbers, pretty sure their neutral site and postseason record ain't great either. And, that's not even considering how many of those losses were not even competitive games, and/or just straight blowouts.

I think the last two years issue may be less "endless roster turnover," and more the lack of turnover, at least with doubling down on Dajuan and KJ. It's a jagged pill to swallow, but those doods should have both been recruited over like 2 seasons ago. With certain pieces we've embraced NIL, but with others, we're stubbornly holding onto some limited talent from the pre-NIL/our NCAA doghouse era of recruiting.

I wish we hadn't doubled down on Hunter, either, but at least he's objectively AA talent. Maybe he'd look a lot better with better-fitting pieces 1-4, but he'd prob still play soft and stuck on D either way, which is just such an indictment.

[JKLivin]

A previous me would never ever have missed KU vs MIZZOU.
I checked the box score a couple times yesterday.

That's me, also. I used to be so amped up on game days that I couldn't think about much else. Yesterday, I did some grading and went to the gym while my daughter took a nap. Checked the comments here a couple of times between sets, but could tell watching was not going to be worth my time.

These players obviously don't get what it means to wear a Kansas jersey, and they don't take any pride in the team or the university. They are playing for a paycheck and for their own notoriety. The coaches have no power because the kids make a ton of money and can leave and go somewhere else at the drop of a hat.

The life and fire have gone out of the college game, and it is sad to witness. Ruined.

[BiggDick]

I don't agree with "the life and fire have gone out of the college game."

I think fans are just trying to scapegoat NIL for this team's loosing streak.

[pdub]

My "fire" has gone out of the college game but I do generally agree there's still a lot of teams and players with plenty of passion and really want their team to win.

I don't think our best player is one of those guys.

[DeletedUser]

without getting caught up on one or two games, and at least going forward...if we have a perimeter player putting up volume shots I'd rather have it be Storr, at least until we really know what we have in him. That's why we brought him here. Diggy too. Rylan too. Zeke too.

DH isn't putting up "volume shots" in the sense that you're trying to create (without watching most games). He didn't take a single bad shot yesterday. They were all shots he should have taken.

Storr took 1 or 2 "wtf" shots. He's not capable of being a volume shooter on a good team. Mainly because he's not a very good outside shooter.

Zeke played 26min. We were actively trying to get him 15+ shots and he was not capable of getting himself open enough to shoot them.

Rylan IS getting up a ton of shots for the amount of minutes he is playing. He's just not making them.

Coit is 5'8. He either shoots a 3 or gets blocked going to the rim. I am fine with him shooting a bunch of 3s. That actually ended up being our strategy.

It's not a video game. It's real life. There are 5 players on the court and they must play offense AND defense.

I know you want so badly for this to be DHs fault. But it's not. Anyone with half a basketball brain can watch our team and see he is not the problem.