We Lost the Battle for the Republican Party’s Soul Long Ago

[JKLivin]

Presidential pardons are meant for exactly this action; throwing out bullshit convictions that are wrong or purely politically motivated.

Great. I assume you’ll have nothing to say when all of the January 6th pardons hit.

Depends on what they did. There are probably very few who are still in jail. Most of the cases were little meaningless charges that I don't have a problem with being wiped off the books. There's probably no more than a few dozen who I feel were genuinely guilty of pretty heinous crimes who should not be pardoned.

You and I are in agreement, although I would estimate those in the “heinous” category at around five. There are some in the other category who are still in jail awaiting trial.

[JKLivin]

Nice attempt at undermining the convictions of people who a jury convicted of trying to blow up a democracy.

Nope.

Oh, that’s right. It was ANTIFA busting through those barriers.

Largely. That, and undercover FBI. Must be pretty boring in Texas if you’re wasting time arguing with me.

[Overlander]

Nope.

Oh, that’s right. It was ANTIFA busting through those barriers.

Largely. That, and undercover FBI.

JFC.

[Overlander]

This Elon/Vivek V. Loomer battle is fun to watch.

I called it, this MAGA bullshit isn’t built for inclusion. The face eating amongst their own has initiated!

[jfish26]

This Elon/Vivek V. Loomer battle is fun to watch.

I called it, this MAGA bullshit isn’t built for inclusion. The face eating amongst their own has initiated!

[Overlander]

awesome!

[Overlander]

Gonna be fun watching the pivots of thousands of social medias users who hated Musk… then loved him because Trump… and back in a perfect circle.

[zsn]

Narcissism vs Bigotry vs Grift vs Rube-Logic

Going to overdose on popcorn!!!

[Overlander]

Narcissism vs Bigotry vs Grift vs Rube-Logic

Going to overdose on popcorn!!!

The sideshow will be the mouth breathers struggling to figure out who to be mad at daily

[Sparko]

Ask not against whom the MAGA shriek; they shriek at thee.

[jfish26]

In case someone needs a bit more detail about where exactly we're at today.

December 27, 2024

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... er-27-2024

Civil war has broken out within the MAGA Republicans. On the one side are the traditional MAGAs, who tend to be white, anti-immigrant, and less educated than the rest of the U.S. They believe that the modern government’s protection of equal rights for women and minorities has ruined America, and they tend to want to isolate the U.S. from the rest of the world. They make up Trump’s voting base.

On the other side are the new MAGAs who appear to have taken control of the incoming Trump administration. Led by Elon Musk, who bankrolled Trump’s campaign, the new MAGA wing is made up of billionaires, especially tech entrepreneurs, many of whom are themselves immigrants.

During the campaign, these two wings made common cause because they both want to destroy the current U.S. government, especially as President Joe Biden had been using it to strengthen American democracy. Traditional MAGA wants to get rid of the government that protects equality and replace it with one that enforces white male supremacy and Christianity. New MAGA—which some have started to call DOGE, after the Department of Government Efficiency run by Musk and pharmaceutical entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy—wants to get rid of the government that regulates business, especially technology, and protects American interests against competition from countries like China.

Their shared commitment to the destruction of the current government is about the only overlap between these two factions.

With the campaign over, traditional MAGA and DOGE are ripping apart. Trump sparked the fight when he announced on Sunday, December 22, that he would appoint Musk associate Sriram Krishnan, who was born in India, as a senior policy advisor on artificial intelligence.

On Monday, MAGA activist Laura Loomer criticized Trump’s choice of Krishnan. Loomer was in Trump’s inner circle until three months ago, when her anti-immigrant tirades made Trump campaign staff worry she would cost Trump votes and forced her out of his public schedule. Loomer noted that Krishnan wants to remove the cap on green cards for workers from certain countries.

Krishnan has also called for making it easier for skilled foreign workers to come to the U.S. on H-1B temporary visas. These programs are important to the technology sector, but critics say they enable companies to hire foreign workers at lower pay than U.S. workers, that H-1B workers are trapped in their jobs, and that wage theft is rampant in the H-1B program.

Loomer said those jobs “should be given to American STEM students.” Then she got to the heart of the matter, complaining that MAGA is getting left out of the new administration. She noted that “none of the tech executives who are meeting with Trump and getting appointed in his cabinet supported him in 2020 or during the 2024 primary.” She continued: “I feel like many of them are trying to get into Trump’s admin[istration] to enrich themselves and get contracts at [the] D[epartment] O[f] D[efense]. This is not America First Policy.”

When another tech entrepreneur and Trump appointee David Sacks defended Krishnan, Loomer made a series of racist posts, claiming among other things that: "Our country was built by white Europeans, actually. Not third-world invaders from India." She said, "It's not racist against Indians to want the original MAGA policies I voted for. I voted for a reduction in H-1B visas. Not an extension."

On Wednesday, December 25—Christmas, a major holiday for MAGA supporters—Musk took a stand against Loomer and the MAGAs. He posted on X that the U.S. needs twice the number of engineers it has, and welcomed foreign engineers. “The number of people who are super talented engineers AND super motivated in the USA is far too low,” he tweeted. “Think of this like a pro sports team: if you want your TEAM to win the championship, you need to recruit top talent wherever they may be. That enables the whole TEAM to win.”

Loomer responded: “Is DOGE real? Or is it a vanity project?” Others complained about the “Tech Bros” “hubris [and] arrogance with their flippant, condescending, and elitist responses to legitimate criticisms of the H1B1 program.” Still others pointed out that there were big layoffs in tech this year and asked why they weren’t getting rehired if there was such a desperate need for workers.

Musk posted: “Investing in Americans is actually hard. Really hard. It costs money and time and effort to make a person productive. It’s a short term net loss. It’s much easier to bring in skilled workers who might not do quite a good a job [sic], but will work for a fraction of the cost and be happy just to be here.”

Loomer responded: “The elephant in the room is that [Musk], who is not MAGA and never has been, is a total f*cking drag on the Trump transition. He’s a stage 5 clinger who over stayed his welcome at Mar a Lago in an effort to become Trump’s side piece and be the point man for all of his accomplices in big Tech to slither in to Mar a Lago.” [sic]

Musk called Loomer a troll, and she responded that “Telling the truth isn’t trolling… You bought your way into MAGA 5 minutes ago…. We all know you only donated your money so you could influence immigration policy and protect your buddy Xi JinPing.”

Thursday everything broke open. Ramaswamy, who was born in Ohio to parents who immigrated to America from India, posted on X an indictment of American culture that seemed a direct assault on MAGA Republicans, who have been vocal about their disdain for education.

Ramaswamy posted that tech companies hire foreign-born and first-generation engineers rather than native-born Americans because “American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long…. A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.” He called for “[m]ore math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less ‘chillin.’ More extracurriculars, less ‘hanging out at the mall.’”

“If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve,” he warned. “‘Normalcy’ doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our a**es handed to us by China.” He called for America to embrace “a new golden era,” but warned it was possible “only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness. That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence.”

With that, the fat was in the fire. MAGA dragged Ramaswamy, with even former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley retorting: “There is nothing wrong with American workers or American culture. All you have to do is look at the border and see how many want what we have. We should be investing and prioritizing in Americans, not foreign workers.” Haley ran for president against Trump but ultimately endorsed him. She is herself the child of Indian immigrants.

Loomer also hit back against Musk, posting: “Is DOGE a way to ‘cut spending’ or REDIRECT the spending toward the pet projects of tech bro billionaires? It’s looking like the latter, T[o] B[e] H[onest].” She continued: “‘Hey, let’s convince the peasants that we are saving them money as we enrich ourselves!’” Another right-wing poster wondered: “How did DOGE go from ‘let’s cut wasteful government spending’ to ‘here’s why we need to import more immigrants’ almost overnight?”

When Musk appeared to limit Loomer’s ability to use X, she posted: “I have always been America First and a die hard supporter of President Trump and I believe that promises made should be promises kept. Donald Trump promised to remove the H1B visa program and I support his policy. Now, as one of Trump’s biggest supporters, I’m having my free speech silenced by a tech billionaire for simply questioning the tech oligarchy.” Other right-wing accounts accused Musk of censoring them, too, and racist anti-immigrant sentiments flowed freely.

On Friday, when cartoonist and right-wing commenter Scott Adams posted that MAGA was “taking a page from Democrats on how to lose elections while feeling good about themselves,” Musk agreed and added: “And those contemptible fools must be removed from the Republican Party, root and stem.”

Loomer commented that Musk “is now referring to MAGA as ‘contemptible fools.’... The Trump base is being replaced by Big Tech executives. So sad to see this.” She tagged Trump and added “I feel so sad for MAGA.” Meanwhile, other MAGA supporters on X piled on Musk, complaining that he had not paid them, as promised, for their participation in his “free speech” petition during the campaign.

By today, key Trump ally Steve Bannon, a central figure in MAGA, had taken to another right-wing social media platform to warn his supporters that Musk is showing his “true colors” and to demand that the H-1B visa program be “zeroed-out.” Another right-wing influencer, Jack Posobiec, tweeted: “Today was the day we found out who is getting rich by screwing over the American worker.”

Trump did not weigh in on the fight but, in what appeared to be intended to be a private communication to Musk, wrote on his social media site: “Where are you? When are you coming to the ‘Center of the Universe,’ Mar-a-Lago. Bill Gates asked to come, tonight. We miss you and x! New Year’s Eve is going to be AMAZING!!! DJT.” (According to Aaron Pellish and Alayna Treene of CNN, “x” here likely refers to Musk’s son X Æ A-Xii.)

Why does this all matter? Because while Trump’s people keep insisting he won in a landslide and has a mandate that he will put in place on day one, his fragile coalition is splintering even before he takes office.

Trump won less than 50% of the vote. Despite their slim victory, the Republican Party was already in a civil war between MAGA and establishment Republicans who are fed up with the MAGAs who threaten to burn down the government and almost a century of international diplomacy: just a week ago, Senate Republicans were publicly complaining about the dysfunctional “sh*t show” and “fiasco” in the House.

Now, with Trump not even in office yet, the two factions of Trump’s MAGA base—which, indeed, have opposing interests—are at war.

[defixione]

No. Foresight.

[jfish26]

No. Foresight.

It’s entirely possible that all the right - both sides of it - really wants is an enemy.

And with those evil, good-governance Democrats having been vanquished, and their supporters fleeing X in droves, all there is over there is…each other.

Nuke the whales? Gotta nuke something.

[Overlander]

The mouth breathers want to tear it down.

They put blind faith in The Chosen One to do just that.

Meanwhile, he wants drain the cash out of it as he leads it to a slow, profitable death.

[jfish26]

The mouth breathers want to tear it down.

They put blind faith in The Chosen One to do just that.

Meanwhile, he wants drain the cash out of it as he leads it to a slow, profitable death.

I will admit that I overlooked what is super obvious now in hindsight.

An immigration crackdown that can be accomplished entirely on paper is MUCH more Trump’s speed than one that requires, you know, doing stuff.

And such an immigration crackdown will of COURSE be felt most acutely by the Silicon Valley class of Trump’s equityholders, who require cheap H-1B labor just as our farmers require cheap undocumented labor.

Only those equityholders are smarter than Trump, and more strategic than Trump.

Which of course is not a high bar: Trump is neither smart nor strategic.

[Overlander]

I’ve said it since the election.
K Street will not allow Trump to piss in the cheerios

[JKLivin]

The mouth breathers want to tear it down.

They put blind faith in The Chosen One to do just that.

Meanwhile, he wants drain the cash out of it as he leads it to a slow, profitable death.

I will admit that I overlooked what is super obvious now in hindsight.

An immigration crackdown that can be accomplished entirely on paper is MUCH more Trump’s speed than one that requires, you know, doing stuff.

And such an immigration crackdown will of COURSE be felt most acutely by the Silicon Valley class of Trump’s equityholders, who require cheap H-1B labor just as our farmers require cheap undocumented labor.

Only those equityholders are smarter than Trump, and more strategic than Trump.

Which of course is not a high bar: Trump is neither smart nor strategic.

But smarter and more strategic than Giggles and the entire DNC. So, there’s that.

[Overlander]

The mouth breathers want to tear it down.

They put blind faith in The Chosen One to do just that.

Meanwhile, he wants drain the cash out of it as he leads it to a slow, profitable death.

I will admit that I overlooked what is super obvious now in hindsight.

An immigration crackdown that can be accomplished entirely on paper is MUCH more Trump’s speed than one that requires, you know, doing stuff.

And such an immigration crackdown will of COURSE be felt most acutely by the Silicon Valley class of Trump’s equityholders, who require cheap H-1B labor just as our farmers require cheap undocumented labor.

Only those equityholders are smarter than Trump, and more strategic than Trump.

Which of course is not a high bar: Trump is neither smart nor strategic.

But smarter and more strategic than Giggles and the entire DNC. So, there’s that.

Speaking of mouth breathers….

[twocoach]

The mouth breathers want to tear it down.

They put blind faith in The Chosen One to do just that.

Meanwhile, he wants drain the cash out of it as he leads it to a slow, profitable death.

I will admit that I overlooked what is super obvious now in hindsight.

An immigration crackdown that can be accomplished entirely on paper is MUCH more Trump’s speed than one that requires, you know, doing stuff.

And such an immigration crackdown will of COURSE be felt most acutely by the Silicon Valley class of Trump’s equityholders, who require cheap H-1B labor just as our farmers require cheap undocumented labor.

Only those equityholders are smarter than Trump, and more strategic than Trump.

Which of course is not a high bar: Trump is neither smart nor strategic.

1) get rid of immigrants who work low wage manual labor, replacing them with poor, desperate US citizens
2) dismantle the US public education system, ensuring that the children of poor taxpaying voters remain poor and uneducated, making them forever beholden to corporate billionaires for their livelihood and survival.
3) hire educated immigrants on H1B visas to work jobs thatbrequire education and learned skills so that the billionaires can pay them less and own their existence, holding their visa status over them to make them accept less money

Wealthy billionaires now completely own the GOP. Well done you fucking morons.

[JKLivin]

I will admit that I overlooked what is super obvious now in hindsight.

An immigration crackdown that can be accomplished entirely on paper is MUCH more Trump’s speed than one that requires, you know, doing stuff.

And such an immigration crackdown will of COURSE be felt most acutely by the Silicon Valley class of Trump’s equityholders, who require cheap H-1B labor just as our farmers require cheap undocumented labor.

Only those equityholders are smarter than Trump, and more strategic than Trump.

Which of course is not a high bar: Trump is neither smart nor strategic.

But smarter and more strategic than Giggles and the entire DNC. So, there’s that.

Speaking of mouth breathers….

If being a mouth breather is defined as being in opposition to you, I’ll wear that designation proudly.