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MICHHAWK wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:45 pm the holidays bring out my best.
Clearly.
You seem to have more juice when you are TRUMPeting fairy tales!
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can someone please explain to Donald what a tariff is, how it works, and who it impacts? Thatd be great thanks.
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TDub wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 3:46 pm can someone please explain to Donald what a tariff is, how it works, and who it impacts? Thatd be great thanks.
He doesn’t do briefings.

As the smartest man EVER, he doesn’t need them.

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Overlander wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:02 pm
TDub wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 3:46 pm can someone please explain to Donald what a tariff is, how it works, and who it impacts? Thatd be great thanks.
He doesn’t do briefings.

As the smartest man EVER, he doesn’t need them.

“No one knows more about ___________ than me” DJT
He’s replacing a guy whose most famous words were, “My butt’s been wiped!” So, the bar for improvement was already fairly low.
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JKLivin wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:29 pm
Overlander wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:02 pm
TDub wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 3:46 pm can someone please explain to Donald what a tariff is, how it works, and who it impacts? Thatd be great thanks.
He doesn’t do briefings.

As the smartest man EVER, he doesn’t need them.

“No one knows more about ___________ than me” DJT
He’s replacing a guy whose most famous words were, “My butt’s been wiped!” So, the bar for improvement was already fairly low.
So, the guy with shitty pants narrowly beat out the guy who had his butt wiped?

No bar
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We need a leader with a clear vision for the new economy, who protects workers and the safety net, provides for the common defense and promotes the GENERAL welfare and health care of the country. It is not in the Boomer DNA to share, lead, or repair. You hire others for that. There was time for racist boomers to pass along their hate and bile to a new generation of alienated young men though. Need to turn that around too.
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lies, lies, and more lies

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... lties/amp/

it’s no wonder psych likes him so much
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"We're going to need a lot of people coming in to this country" ~DJT


JK....please explain.

I thought "we" needed to kick them out....America first....
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TDub wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:04 am "We're going to need a lot of people coming in to this country" ~DJT


JK....please explain.

I thought "we" needed to kick them out....America first....
What's funny is that for all of the bad-faith-justification blather you'll hear about this being different because this is about highly-educated and productive immigrants...the truth is that Elon & Pals want these immigrants for the same reasons that farms and factories want theirs.

The cost:quality ratio, and the power (im)balance, is simply more favorable to the employer with immigrants than with citizens.
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jfish26 wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:24 am
TDub wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:04 am "We're going to need a lot of people coming in to this country" ~DJT


JK....please explain.

I thought "we" needed to kick them out....America first....
What's funny is that for all of the bad-faith-justification blather you'll hear about this being different because this is about highly-educated and productive immigrants...the truth is that Elon & Pals want these immigrants for the same reasons that farms and factories want theirs.

The cost:quality ratio, and the power (im)balance, is simply more favorable to the employer with immigrants than with citizens.
well that....and...
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But that’s what I mean. That is what’s left at the bottom of the pot once everything has boiled off.
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jfish26 wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:24 am
TDub wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:04 am "We're going to need a lot of people coming in to this country" ~DJT


JK....please explain.

I thought "we" needed to kick them out....America first....
What's funny is that for all of the bad-faith-justification blather you'll hear about this being different because this is about highly-educated and productive immigrants...the truth is that Elon & Pals want these immigrants for the same reasons that farms and factories want theirs.

The cost:quality ratio, and the power (im)balance, is simply more favorable to the employer with immigrants than with citizens.
I saw the first wave of the use of overseas engineering a little over 20 years ago. At that point there were engineering firms in India who would produce the calculations/design/construction documents for US projects at a cost of about 1/3 of what we could do it in-house. A couple of my partners thought maybe we could layoff a hundred engineers and make a better profit outsourcing our services. Most of us dismissed the idea on professional ethics reasons. There was a way to do it legally, but we felt it was a breech we didn't want make.

A client called during this period after we gave them a proposal for a high profile project and told me they could hire MA licensed engineers for $55/hr in India to design and seal the project. Their total fee was about 1/3 ours. Could we match that? Seeing as I was paying engineers only slightly less than that hourly rate, no way. Hourly billing rates are about 2.5X actual salary to pay benefits, overhead and profit. 18 months later I got the call asking if we could discreetly review the installation that was designed by the Indian firm, as the Owner was now questioning the installation, there were "serviceability" issues. The fixes took a couple of years and they paid me $200/hr to figure it out.

I made sure my partners knew what was going on as the project was listed as "confidential" in our database. Most employees could not see the project description, but I wanted to make sure that the few partners who thought this "might be a good idea" knew. My partners never brought up the idea of outsourcing our work again.

I'm not saying that foreign trained engineers are worse than US trained. But there is a production mindset that I have seen when working on overseas projects. How that translates to tech workers/programmers I don't have direct knowledge of.

But, buyer beware.
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It is the same with pretty much any “I found a better price on the internet”.

There will always be a cheaper price.

But, you stick to your morals, and you don’t compromise your standards.

In many of the cases, the buyer will approach us asking us to make the best of a bad buy on their behalf.
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TDub wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:04 am "We're going to need a lot of people coming in to this country" ~DJT


JK....please explain.

I thought "we" needed to kick them out....America first....
He’s obviously referring to people who come in legally and who have skills that are necessary for the success of the country. I’m guessing you knew that already, though.
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JKLivin wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 7:28 pm
TDub wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:04 am "We're going to need a lot of people coming in to this country" ~DJT


JK....please explain.

I thought "we" needed to kick them out....America first....
He’s obviously referring to people who come in legally and who have skills that are necessary for the success of the country. I’m guessing you knew that already, though.
is agriculture necessary to the success of the country?

he wants to strip birthright citizenship but increase Visas....is there a common denominator here?
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TDub wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:32 pm
JKLivin wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 7:28 pm
TDub wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:04 am "We're going to need a lot of people coming in to this country" ~DJT


JK....please explain.

I thought "we" needed to kick them out....America first....
He’s obviously referring to people who come in legally and who have skills that are necessary for the success of the country. I’m guessing you knew that already, though.
is agriculture necessary to the success of the country?

he wants to strip birthright citizenship but increase Visas....is there a common denominator here?
Agriculture is increasingly mechanized. That arena is rapidly changing. I don’t think migrant workers will be the initial focus. Criminals and habitual line-steppers will.

I think the common denominator is people who come here legally, pay taxes, want to become actual citizens, and have something to contribute rather than mostly things to take.
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JKLivin wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:47 pm
TDub wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:32 pm
JKLivin wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 7:28 pm

He’s obviously referring to people who come in legally and who have skills that are necessary for the success of the country. I’m guessing you knew that already, though.
is agriculture necessary to the success of the country?

he wants to strip birthright citizenship but increase Visas....is there a common denominator here?
Agriculture is increasingly mechanized. That arena is rapidly changing. I don’t think migrant workers will be the initial focus. Criminals and habitual line-steppers will.

I think the common denominator is people who come here legally, pay taxes, want to become actual citizens, and have something to contribute rather than mostly things to take.
so simple-minded
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If you ask every person picking cauliflower or waiting in the Home Depot parking lot for a shot at a painting gig they will tell you that will (do) actually pay taxes and want to become actual citizens, and have something to contribute rather than mostly things to take.

They are no different than the H-1B holders who overstay their work authorization. Unfortunately they are not white, like Elon Musk.

But you know that.
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zsn wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 9:52 pm If you ask every person picking cauliflower or waiting in the Home Depot parking lot for a shot at a painting gig they will tell you that will (do) actually pay taxes and want to become actual citizens, and have something to contribute rather than mostly things to take.

They are no different than the H-1B holders who overstay their work authorization. Unfortunately they are not white, like Elon Musk.

But you know that.
I’m infinitely more concerned with tax revenue associated with a programmer’s salary vs. a cauliflower picker’s wages and their long-term contribution to the nation than I am the color of their skin. Sorry to throw a monkey wrench in your lazy hypothesis.
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JKLivin wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:53 am
zsn wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 9:52 pm If you ask every person picking cauliflower or waiting in the Home Depot parking lot for a shot at a painting gig they will tell you that will (do) actually pay taxes and want to become actual citizens, and have something to contribute rather than mostly things to take.

They are no different than the H-1B holders who overstay their work authorization. Unfortunately they are not white, like Elon Musk.

But you know that.
I’m infinitely more concerned with tax revenue associated with a programmer’s salary vs. a cauliflower picker’s wages and their long-term contribution to the nation than I am the color of their skin. Sorry to throw a monkey wrench in your lazy hypothesis.
your posting history suggests otherwise

but, you know that
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