America Failed

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pdub wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:45 pm "blame pubs who likely preventing it from passing" is the correct route here if you think those ideas were good and should have been passed.
Yea.

Sigh.

I def blame pubs for obstructing otherwise-popular initiatives that would otherwise benefit the American people.

But I also blame Dems for being so ineffective against pubs, particularly when it comes to getting otherwise-popular initiatives passed. Or even more generally, so ineffective when it comes to just defeating pubs in elections by campaigning (or campaigning better) on otherwise-popular initiatives so they can get otherwise-popular initiatives passed.

That’s to say, I blame pubs for being giant dooshes and also blame dems for being turd sammiches.

I think there’s blame to go around. Both sides!

And I’m afraid this is not a flaw, but a feature, of how our government works.

That’s to say, I’m afraid the solution may not be simply partisan.
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pdub wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 1:11 pm Increase the top tax rate on the wealthiest Americans to 39.6 percent. One of the 2017 tax cut’s clearest giveaways to the wealthy was cutting the top income tax rate from 39.6 percent to 37 percent, exclusively benefitting the wealthiest households—those in the top one percent. This rate cut alone gives a couple with $2 million in taxable an annual tax cut of more than $36,400. The President’s plan restores the top tax bracket to what it was before the 2017 law, returning the rate to 39.6 percent, applying only to those within the top one percent.

End capital income tax breaks and other loopholes for the very top. The President’s tax reform will end one of the most unfair aspects of our tax system: that the tax rate the wealthy pay on capital gains and dividends is less than the tax rate that many middle-class families pay on their wages.
And here's the thing. If you are working multiple jobs and making over $300K you pay 24% on everything.

And the top earners are not paying 37%. As a stockholder, if you keep your income under $200K and pay out the rest as qualified dividends, your tax rate is 22% on income and only 15% on your dividends. You could pay an effective rate more in the range of 18%. At this income level you also have disposable income which you can put into a money losing LLC and reduce your rate even further while building a tangible asset, or town. Next thing you know, the IRS is sending you a refund check for 2/3 your salary. It's weird but that is how the system is set up now and I am expecting it to get more skewed soon.

It is conceivable that people making twice your income pay less taxes than you. I personally don't think that is fair and have said so. I am willing to pay more to relieve the debt of others who probably need the tax relief more than me. Increasing my tax bill next year to 37% across the board does nothing to my quality of life or what I do. But decrease the tax debt on multiple families by a proportional amount would have lessened the stress on a lot of people and that would seem like a good thing for the stability of our society.

But I have only one vote and luckily Kamala wasn't elected and those beautiful, beautiful tax cuts for deserving capitalists were not erased.

The people have spoken and this is how they want it cuz roadkill patriots want to see brown people and sluts punished and Kamala didn't pass the purity test of the comrades; and the price of eggs.

Thank you roadkill patriots and comrades for your debt service. Next time you are in the Empire stop by and I'll buy you a beer, seriously, it's least I can do.
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pdub wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:53 am An actual elected official saying an American should be deported because she asked a president to show mercy on those less fortunate.
^^^

It makes me want to puke.

What's the over/under he considers himself a "Christian"?
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I think BiggDick should just change his name to BothSides.
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pdub wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:51 pm I think BiggDick should just change his name to BothSides.
I think BiggDick should change his name..... I mean, it's obvious
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BiggDick wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 1:34 pm oh hey! Overlander ignored me! Maybe that can set an example. And maybe he really does ignore me - which is to say, maybe he really does just leave me alone. And for the record, it really is a shame, but I'm hoping it might end up being for the better in the long run.

as for bringing up the American Families Plan, thanks again for the discussion pdub, and for providing all that info. Cuz, yea, I searched too, and noticed that page on the Whitehouse.gov site now is 404...lolsigh.

It seems like a lot of good ideas in these plans tho. I'm not sure either plan ever got thru the house/senate/exec and enacted into law - did it? I can't find anywhere that definitively says it did.

If they did, then it's a bummer Biden/Harris didn't get more credit, or didn't leverage them better as campaign talking points.

If they didn't, I dunno whether to blame pubs who likely preventing it from passing, or dems for not managing to somehow get it done when they had the big chair anyway.
^^^

And not only that, maybe if Biden and Harris, and not Republicans, had been the ones to:

-Out those Haitians eating pets in Ohio?

-Expose the millions of non-citizens voting in our elections?

-Take action to stop trans people from reading books to kids at story time?

-Or reveal the nationwide scandal of young boys going off to school in the morning, only to come home as girls, in the afternoon?
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BiggDick wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:05 pm
He's doubling down on this "it's up to ous do to better but not anyone else" kinda unilateral bullshit.
Nothing is ever going to get better until you move past this type of attitude.

It's not everyone else's job to like you. It's your job to make them like you. If that's something that is important to you.

If you don't give a fuck if people like you, which is a totally reasonable stance to take, then by all means, continue on the path you're on.
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rocket science
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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Welp, okay then.

Guess it’s my job to make you like me.
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BiggDick wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:04 pm Welp, okay then.

Guess it’s my job to make you like me.
I didn't mean any of that (or this) in a mean way or to sound like some wannabe self help guru.

And it's only your "job" if having (more) people like you is something that is important to you. If having (more) people like you is not something that is important to you then it's totally not your problem whether people like you or not. There are times in life it'll be the former and other times in life it'll be the latter. You get to decide which situation this is for yourself.

I wouldn't worry about validating your belief that there is plenty of blame to go around in all of this (because in the end it doesn’t really matter). Scoring those points doesn't do anything for you in the grand scheme of things when it comes to trying to improve some of your relationships around here (again, only if that's important to you).
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I'm genuinely curious, if we went back through the posts of the Trumpers and Trump-curious, where they would have landed (several months/years ago) on their predictions.

Failures of Imagination

https://www.thebulwark.com/i/155778384/ ... magination
I understand that [a suggestion that Trump has started down Putin's path] sounds hysterical. It’s only been a week. No Trump critics have been poisoned, or shot, or fallen out of windows.

But humor me for a moment. Imagine it’s October 2024 and you’re having coffee with Hugh Hewitt.

Hugh is trying to cure you of your Trump Derangement Syndrome and convince you that a second Trump term will be fine. Because you’re a gentle soul, you try to meet him where he is. You outline three scenarios for him: low-, medium-, and high-risk to describe the first week of a second Trump administration.

Low risk: Trump appoints responsible people to his cabinet and takes office with a minimum of disruption. He reassures our European allies. He plans to pass legislation to construct his border wall and begins his deportation regime by focusing on undocumented immigrants who are currently in prison. He does not seek to apply Schedule F to the executive bureaucracy.

Medium risk: Some of Trump’s cabinet appointees are either radical or unqualified and he talks a lot about tariffs. But he extends an olive branch to NATO and appears to be ready to work with the Mexican government on border security and deportation. He pardons some of the people convicted for crimes on January 6th, but leaves the worst, most violent offenders in jail.

High risk: Even before taking office, Trump files a series of defamation/libel lawsuits against media entities, including a pollster. Three days before inauguration he launches a crypto token that allows the untraceable funneling of money to his pockets. He puts unqualified toadies in charge of the power ministries and frees every single January 6th insurrectionist. He demands the removal of the Republican chair of the House Intelligence Committee. He blames Ukraine for Russia’s invasion, saying that Ukraine should not have resisted Putin’s aggression. He institutes Schedule F and then illegally fires 17 inspectors general. He removes security protection for officials from his first term whom he views as disloyal, remarking that “there’s risks to everything.”

I think we can agree that, if you had spun this high-risk scenario to Hewitt in October, he would have told you it was impossible. Hugh might have said something like: These are the rancid fantasies of a Never Trump lunatic!

But I’d go so far as to say that twelve weeks ago even an unbiased observer would have judged the high-risk scenario to be unlikely. Not impossible, but certainly not the median outcome. Twelve weeks ago, if I had given you that readout you might have said, “This seems close to a worst-case scenario.” At least for the first week of the administration.

And here’s the point I want you to remember: When I say today, on January 27, that Trump’s gangster government is going to end badly—maybe even very badly—it sounds crazy and hysterical.

But if I described the state of affairs as they exist on January 27 to you twelve weeks ago, you also would have thought that I was crazy and hysterical. You would have said, “I guess that’s possible, but you’re talking about something close to a worst-case scenario.”

Yes, Putinism would definitely be a worst-case scenario.

But we are living the worst-case scenario right now. Maybe in the future something will slide us down the scale to one of the lower-variant scenarios. That would be nice. I hope it happens. But right now we are on track to a dark place.

If I had told you on November 1, 2020, that:

* Donald Trump would lose the election

* Attempt a violent coup

* Hundreds of people would be convicted of committing violence on his behalf

* The Supreme Court would invent a writ of criminal immunity to indemnify this coup attempt

* Trump would win a second term in 2024 with even fuller backing from the Republican party

* He’d make a weekend Fox News anchor secretary of defense and America’s most prominent anti-vaccine advocate secretary of HHS

* He’d free every single insurrectionist from his coup attempt

* And he’d pull security protection from two of his former advisors in such a manner as to practically invite the Iranian government to assassinate them

You wouldn’t have believed any of that. And yet, here we are.

We are one week into Trump’s term and our imaginations have already failed us. Which means that there may be things today that we say can’t possibly happen. But six months from now they might well be reality.

Start getting your head around this truth now. It’s going to get worse.

I’m telling you all of this because one of the lessons we should have top of mind today is that the worst never happens all at once. It develops over time. And at every step there are always people who insist that the worst can’t happen.

Right up until the moment they decide to make it happen themselves.
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