are we there yet?

[JKLivin]

Additionally, what the pandemic have taught us is that a 'one size fits all' work schedule is counter intuitive. Each business should have the ability to determine its own effectiveness and also be able to work with employees so that unnecessary trips to the office could be minimized.

In terms of full remote workers, I understand that having someone with the ability to come into the office when needed makes sense -- but again, that shouldn't be one big blanket demand. It should be decided by each branch at each level by administrators and position heads.

I don't disagree with any of that. My quarrel is with people who sign up for one job and then demand another. I have no problem with negotiating flexibility with an employer. The approach of demanding it, on the other hand, is problematic to me.

[TDub]

1.) Doxxing is kind of against the rules of these boreds, is it not?
2.) My job spans much more than M-F 9 to 5. There are always night classes, late night texts and emails to be answered from students, grading, lesson-planning, and committee work, all of which take well beyond 40 hours a week. Even for a piddly, meaningless, insignificant job like mine.

can you point us towards the giant faucet in the PNW?

I'm up this way, I'll go check it out.

I don't know what that means.

yes you do

[JKLivin]

It isn’t hard to see why.
You are such a likable guy.

As a former law enforcement officer, I doubt you fail to see the implications of that kind of behavior. Even toward people you don't like.

Meh, it seems a Trumper like you would be ok with it.

If you showed up at my house unannounced, I'd probably invite you in for a drink. We'd sit down and chat and probably part on amicable terms because my hunch is that you, despite your persona on here, are a reasonable person. I don't think you have to agree with another person, or even like them, to coexist peaceably.

I can't say the same of the people who were doing those things several years ago. I was genuinely concerned.

[JKLivin]

can you point us towards the giant faucet in the PNW?

I'm up this way, I'll go check it out.

I don't know what that means.

yes you do

No, I don't. Is it a joke or a code or what?

[Overlander]

You just look for things to be pissed off about in what I post. You have done so for as long as I can remember. It is a sad reality that both of us must endure, I suppose.

especially if their initial job description was not a work-from-home arrangement.

You have no fucking idea what the job descriptions outlined or didn’t.

And you do?

You are the one that implied they are not being followed.

[JKLivin]

You have no fucking idea what the job descriptions outlined or didn’t.

And you do?

You are the one that implied they are not being followed.

And you implied certainty that they were. Seems like assumptions are being made on both sides.

[Overlander]

As a former law enforcement officer, I doubt you fail to see the implications of that kind of behavior. Even toward people you don't like.

Meh, it seems a Trumper like you would be ok with it.

If you showed up at my house unannounced, I'd probably invite you in for a drink. We'd sit down and chat and probably part on amicable terms because my hunch is that you, despite your persona on here, are a reasonable person. I don't think you have to agree with another person, or even like them, to coexist peaceably.

I can't say the same of the people who were doing those things several years ago. I was genuinely concerned.

Possibly. Not likely.

Once again, not difficult to imagine.

[Overlander]

And you do?

You are the one that implied they are not being followed.

And you implied certainty that they were. Seems like assumptions are being made on both sides.

No, I did not.

Are you ok?

[JKLivin]

You are the one that implied they are not being followed.

And you implied certainty that they were. Seems like assumptions are being made on both sides.

No, I did not.

Are you ok?

Ah, so your implication was simply that I don't know what I'm talking about. My bad.

[Overlander]

And you implied certainty that they were. Seems like assumptions are being made on both sides.

No, I did not.

Are you ok?

Ah, so your implication was simply that I don't know what I'm talking about. My bad.

No implication.

Just a comment that you consistently seem to enjoy bitching and whining about what others do and don’t do.

Whether workers perform their duties from home or from the office has absolutely no bearing on your life…at all.

You make a comment like this because you need to be mad, you need someone to suffer, someone else to be inconvenienced.

I made my comment about YOU, because you don’t bear the responsibility of managing a large workforce, and therefore don’t have the experience to know that there isn’t a “for one-for all” answer.

[TDub]

I don't know what that means.

yes you do

No, I don't. Is it a joke or a code or what?

"You have millions of gallons of water pouring down from the north with the snow caps and Canada, and all pouring down and they essentially have a very large faucet. You turn the faucet and it takes one day to turn it, and it's massive, it's as big as the wall of that building right there behind you. You turn that, and all of that water aimlessly goes into the Pacific, and if you turned that back, all of that water would come right down here and into Los Angeles."

[Overlander]

Psych is having a bad day folks.

[JKLivin]

No, I did not.

Are you ok?

Ah, so your implication was simply that I don't know what I'm talking about. My bad.

No implication.

Just a comment that you consistently seem to enjoy bitching and whining about what others do and don’t do.

Whether workers perform their duties from home or from the office has absolutely no bearing on your life…at all.

You make a comment like this because you need to be mad, you need someone to suffer, someone else to be inconvenienced.

I made my comment about YOU, because you don’t bear the responsibility of managing a large workforce, and therefore don’t have the experience to know that there isn’t a “for one-for all” answer.

I wasn’t trying to imply a one-size fits all solution. My LinkedIn feed is inundated with people posting about the “right to work remotely,” - which I don’t think exists - and that was the basis for my comment. Considering that my taxes pay Federal workers, it is kind of my business.


And I really don’t “need” someone to be mad at. I definitely do more venting here than I should, but it is not central to my existence, believe it or not.

[JKLivin]

yes you do

No, I don't. Is it a joke or a code or what?

"You have millions of gallons of water pouring down from the north with the snow caps and Canada, and all pouring down and they essentially have a very large faucet. You turn the faucet and it takes one day to turn it, and it's massive, it's as big as the wall of that building right there behind you. You turn that, and all of that water aimlessly goes into the Pacific, and if you turned that back, all of that water would come right down here and into Los Angeles."

Who are you quoting?

[TDub]

No, I don't. Is it a joke or a code or what?

"You have millions of gallons of water pouring down from the north with the snow caps and Canada, and all pouring down and they essentially have a very large faucet. You turn the faucet and it takes one day to turn it, and it's massive, it's as big as the wall of that building right there behind you. You turn that, and all of that water aimlessly goes into the Pacific, and if you turned that back, all of that water would come right down here and into Los Angeles."

Who are you quoting?

Your savior. Donald J. Trump

[Overlander]

LinkedIn has gotten to be just as bad as Facebook.

[pdub]

Ah, so your implication was simply that I don't know what I'm talking about. My bad.

No implication.

Just a comment that you consistently seem to enjoy bitching and whining about what others do and don’t do.

Whether workers perform their duties from home or from the office has absolutely no bearing on your life…at all.

You make a comment like this because you need to be mad, you need someone to suffer, someone else to be inconvenienced.

I made my comment about YOU, because you don’t bear the responsibility of managing a large workforce, and therefore don’t have the experience to know that there isn’t a “for one-for all” answer.

I wasn’t trying to imply a one-size fits all solution. My LinkedIn feed is inundated with people posting about the “right to work remotely,” - which I don’t think exists - and that was the basis for my comment. Considering that my taxes pay Federal workers, it is kind of my business.


And I really don’t “need” someone to be mad at. I definitely do more venting here than I should, but it is not central to my existence, believe it or not.

But that’s what the demands are for the Federal government workers currently. A one size fits all demand from up top. Instead it should be meeting with department heads at various levels with a much more aggressive approach to leaning into in person work where it makes sense.

Not a blanket “we know how it works” policy.

[JKLivin]

Who are you quoting?

Your savior. Donald J. Trump

Okay. On its face, it sounds pretty dumb. Not sure what response you’re looking for from me.

[JKLivin]

No implication.

Just a comment that you consistently seem to enjoy bitching and whining about what others do and don’t do.

Whether workers perform their duties from home or from the office has absolutely no bearing on your life…at all.

You make a comment like this because you need to be mad, you need someone to suffer, someone else to be inconvenienced.

I made my comment about YOU, because you don’t bear the responsibility of managing a large workforce, and therefore don’t have the experience to know that there isn’t a “for one-for all” answer.

I wasn’t trying to imply a one-size fits all solution. My LinkedIn feed is inundated with people posting about the “right to work remotely,” - which I don’t think exists - and that was the basis for my comment. Considering that my taxes pay Federal workers, it is kind of my business.


And I really don’t “need” someone to be mad at. I definitely do more venting here than I should, but it is not central to my existence, believe it or not.

But that’s what the demands are for the Federal government workers currently. A one size fits all demand from up top. Instead it should be meeting with department heads at various levels with a much more aggressive approach to leaning into in person work where it makes sense.

Not a blanket “we know how it works” policy.

Again, I don’t disagree.

[Overlander]

No implication.

Just a comment that you consistently seem to enjoy bitching and whining about what others do and don’t do.

Whether workers perform their duties from home or from the office has absolutely no bearing on your life…at all.

You make a comment like this because you need to be mad, you need someone to suffer, someone else to be inconvenienced.

I made my comment about YOU, because you don’t bear the responsibility of managing a large workforce, and therefore don’t have the experience to know that there isn’t a “for one-for all” answer.

I wasn’t trying to imply a one-size fits all solution. My LinkedIn feed is inundated with people posting about the “right to work remotely,” - which I don’t think exists - and that was the basis for my comment. Considering that my taxes pay Federal workers, it is kind of my business.


And I really don’t “need” someone to be mad at. I definitely do more venting here than I should, but it is not central to my existence, believe it or not.

But that’s what the demands are for the Federal government workers currently. A one size fits all demand from up top. Instead it should be meeting with department heads at various levels with a much more aggressive approach to leaning into in person work where it makes sense.

You mean, like, managing?