are we there yet?

[twocoach]

Ah, so your implication was simply that I don't know what I'm talking about. My bad.

No implication.

Just a comment that you consistently seem to enjoy bitching and whining about what others do and don’t do.

Whether workers perform their duties from home or from the office has absolutely no bearing on your life…at all.

You make a comment like this because you need to be mad, you need someone to suffer, someone else to be inconvenienced.

I made my comment about YOU, because you don’t bear the responsibility of managing a large workforce, and therefore don’t have the experience to know that there isn’t a “for one-for all” answer.

I wasn’t trying to imply a one-size fits all solution. My LinkedIn feed is inundated with people posting about the “right to work remotely,” - which I don’t think exists - and that was the basis for my comment. Considering that my taxes pay Federal workers, it is kind of my business.


And I really don’t “need” someone to be mad at. I definitely do more venting here than I should, but it is not central to my existence, believe it or not.

Forcing employees to work on site accomplishes nothing but shrinking the pool of talent that will consider working the job. As a person who lives in Omaha, NE (not exactly a destination location) I have seen this firsthand. When we required living in Omaha to be a developer on our team, our pool of talent that even applied for openings was MUCH smaller than now, when you can do the job from anywhere in the world.

The people who bitch about remote workers are usually people who either cannot do their job remotely or do not have the skill set necessary to perform their jobs remotely.

[TDub]

wish I could work remotely

[twocoach]

wish I could work remotely

There's goods and bads to it. Depends on your situation and your job. I have been fully remote for a few years but I look forward to going into the office a few days a week starting in a few months.

[DeletedUser]

wish I could work remotely

LOL

well, you sort of do. Remotely at wherever the hell your job site is.

It's all about perspective!

[Shirley]

wish I could work remotely

^^^

I remember my older partners telling me not long after joining their practice, (in the days before "telemedicine").

"If you're in an exam room seeing a patient, you're making money.

If you're not in an exam room seeing a patient, you're not making money.

So, get in an exam room, and see a patient."

They were exactly right.

[Overlander]

No implication.

Just a comment that you consistently seem to enjoy bitching and whining about what others do and don’t do.

Whether workers perform their duties from home or from the office has absolutely no bearing on your life…at all.

You make a comment like this because you need to be mad, you need someone to suffer, someone else to be inconvenienced.

I made my comment about YOU, because you don’t bear the responsibility of managing a large workforce, and therefore don’t have the experience to know that there isn’t a “for one-for all” answer.

I wasn’t trying to imply a one-size fits all solution. My LinkedIn feed is inundated with people posting about the “right to work remotely,” - which I don’t think exists - and that was the basis for my comment. Considering that my taxes pay Federal workers, it is kind of my business.


And I really don’t “need” someone to be mad at. I definitely do more venting here than I should, but it is not central to my existence, believe it or not.

The people who bitch about remote workers are usually people who either cannot do their job remotely or do not have the skill set necessary to perform their jobs remotely.

This.

Also plug in the amount of money spent firing up the lights, heat, staff, security, supplies, parking, etc it takes to fill these offices.

If nothing else, a small reduction in measurable productivity might still be a gain.

One of my best friends works in high level systems integration, and is very high level in Google AI.
He deals with meetings from around the world at all hours.

Psych would have his eyes forced open Clockwork Orange style, with Don Jrs Magic Dust being forced into his femoral artery. A box of Fig Newtons and a piss bucket nearby!

[TDub]

wish I could work remotely

LOL

well, you sort of do. Remotely at wherever the hell your job site is.

It's all about perspective!

haha yes, I suppose that's all true.

[Overlander]

wish I could work remotely

LOL

well, you sort of do. Remotely at wherever the hell your job site is.

It's all about perspective!

This

[twocoach]

My employer used to spend tens of thousands of dollars every few years to "regroup teams". They'd move this group to sit near that group or split a team up between managers, etc... It felt mostly like some layer of mid-management trying to justify their bloated salary with some reorg theory they read about in a magazine. But it had expenses due to having to rebuild cubicles, desks and equipment. They haven't had to incur those expenses nearly as much after deploying hybrid and full remote positions.

[pdub]

I wasn’t trying to imply a one-size fits all solution. My LinkedIn feed is inundated with people posting about the “right to work remotely,” - which I don’t think exists - and that was the basis for my comment. Considering that my taxes pay Federal workers, it is kind of my business.


And I really don’t “need” someone to be mad at. I definitely do more venting here than I should, but it is not central to my existence, believe it or not.

But that’s what the demands are for the Federal government workers currently. A one size fits all demand from up top. Instead it should be meeting with department heads at various levels with a much more aggressive approach to leaning into in person work where it makes sense.

Not a blanket “we know how it works” policy.

Again, I don’t disagree.

Whoa.
Ok.
That’s something.

[Shirley]

The "stable genius" says the US might rejoin the WHO.

The Cult leader works in mysterious ways.

[defixione]

New 25% tariff on Columbia, no Columbians allowed to enter the states.

[KUTradition]

coffee prices gonna jump

[JKLivin]

But that’s what the demands are for the Federal government workers currently. A one size fits all demand from up top. Instead it should be meeting with department heads at various levels with a much more aggressive approach to leaning into in person work where it makes sense.

Not a blanket “we know how it works” policy.

Again, I don’t disagree.

Whoa.
Ok.
That’s something.

My experience as a manager (contrary to Overlander's assumptions, I have a decent amount) is that some job descriptions work well remotely, while others do not. Likewise, some individuals handle their responsibilities remotely very well, while others do not.

I allow two of my best supervisees to work from home all but three or four days per month because they have small children and it is not necessary for them to be on-site to do most of their work. I have another who started with those arrangements and proved that they could not handle the responsibility without more supervision, so they currently have to be in-office three days a week with the understanding that we will review the arrangement at the end of the semester. I am hopeful that the incentive of returning to the prior arrangement will motivate her to do better.

I'm not sure how this principle would apply to management of large Federal departments, but I'm open to the idea.

[KUTradition]

giggles

[Overlander]

giggles

Times 2

[MICHHAWK]

drink American coffee. problem solved.

[Overlander]

Again, I don’t disagree.

Whoa.
Ok.
That’s something.

My experience as a manager (contrary to Overlander's assumptions, I have a decent amount) is that some job descriptions work well remotely, while others do not. Likewise, some individuals handle their responsibilities remotely very well, while others do not.

I allow two of my best supervisees to work from home all but three or four days per month because they have small children and it is not necessary for them to be on-site to do most of their work. I have another who started with those arrangements and proved that they could not handle the responsibility without more supervision, so they currently have to be in-office three days a week with the understanding that we will review the arrangement at the end of the semester. I am hopeful that the incentive of returning to the prior arrangement will motivate her to do better.

I'm not sure how this principle would apply to management of large Federal departments, but I'm open to the idea.

Do you manage more than 50 people?

[JKLivin]

Whoa.
Ok.
That’s something.

My experience as a manager (contrary to Overlander's assumptions, I have a decent amount) is that some job descriptions work well remotely, while others do not. Likewise, some individuals handle their responsibilities remotely very well, while others do not.

I allow two of my best supervisees to work from home all but three or four days per month because they have small children and it is not necessary for them to be on-site to do most of their work. I have another who started with those arrangements and proved that they could not handle the responsibility without more supervision, so they currently have to be in-office three days a week with the understanding that we will review the arrangement at the end of the semester. I am hopeful that the incentive of returning to the prior arrangement will motivate her to do better.

I'm not sure how this principle would apply to management of large Federal departments, but I'm open to the idea.

Do you manage more than 50 people?

Nope. I could never hope to reach your heights of success. I also wouldn’t want the headache. I have three admin staff, ten full-time faculty, and about 30 adjuncts. That’s plenty for me.

[Overlander]

My experience as a manager (contrary to Overlander's assumptions, I have a decent amount) is that some job descriptions work well remotely, while others do not. Likewise, some individuals handle their responsibilities remotely very well, while others do not.

I allow two of my best supervisees to work from home all but three or four days per month because they have small children and it is not necessary for them to be on-site to do most of their work. I have another who started with those arrangements and proved that they could not handle the responsibility without more supervision, so they currently have to be in-office three days a week with the understanding that we will review the arrangement at the end of the semester. I am hopeful that the incentive of returning to the prior arrangement will motivate her to do better.

I'm not sure how this principle would apply to management of large Federal departments, but I'm open to the idea.

Do you manage more than 50 people?

Nope. I could never hope to reach your heights of success.

Yeah, pretty clear that you don’t have the skills.