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[pdub]

Dajuan is definitely not what I’d define as clutch. He’s also not a guy I’d point a finger at for the Houston loss.

Zeke, AJ easily before Dajuan.
Yes AJ is off the bench but he was brutal in his minutes.

[DeletedUser]

Dajuan is definitely not what I’d define as clutch.

Nor is he a guy that should ever be depended on to be clutch (offensively). Because that's not his skillset.

Was Russ Rob clutch (offensively)? Who the hell knows. Because we didn't use him like that because that wasn't what he was good at.

And this is your fun fact of the day presented by illy, before Ousdahl comes in to push his DH turns it over too much narrative....Russell Robinson averaged more turnovers per game in less minutes per game for his career than Dajuan Harris.

[pdub]

No. Russ Rob is a great comparison to Dajuan though I’d say Dajuan gets a ton of shit and people think Russ Rob is a hero.

Also, Dajuans better than RussRob, at least by a bit.

[DeletedUser]

No. Russ Rob is a great comparison to Dajuan though I’d say Dajuan gets a ton of shit and people think Russ Rob is a hero.

For sure.

And I'd take RussRob on 10 out of 10 teams.

[pdub]

I wouldn’t.
Say I can’t pick a dude who played PG for a season ( so guys like Devonte and Frank are out ) but I can build a dream team of 4 starters and 3 backups?

Dajuan gets the PG spot over Russ.

RussRobs best season may have been his sophomore where he averaged 9 points a game. Dajuan is averaging more than that this season with a better FG percentage and quite a bit more assists.


Dajuan also won DPOY in the conference, Russ did not.

[DeletedUser]

I wouldn’t.
Say I can’t pick a dude who played PG for a season ( so guys like Devonte and Frank are out ) but I can build a dream team of 4 starters and 3 backups?

Dajuan gets the PG spot over Russ.

Oh, my bad, I didn't mean I'd take Russ over DH necessarily. It'd be a close call for me if I had to decide.

I just meant if I had a team I'd be perfectly happy to have a RussRob (or a DH for that matter) 100% of the time.

[TDub]

Dajuan is definitely not what I’d define as clutch.

Nor is he a guy that should ever be depended on to be clutch (offensively). Because that's not his skillset.

Was Russ Rob clutch (offensively)? Who the hell knows. Because we didn't use him like that because that wasn't what he was good at.

And this is your fun fact of the day presented by illy, before Ousdahl comes in to push his DH turns it over too much narrative....Russell Robinson averaged more turnovers per game in less minutes per game for his career than Dajuan Harris.

I waa going to say Russ' team had more possessions per game so his TOs might not have been a 1 to 1 comparison... because those teams seemed to play faster so more possessions, turnovers slightly less impactful.

But...I would've been wrong.

Russ' teams 70.4 possessions per game

Dajuans (this year) 71 possessions per game

[DeletedUser]

Dajuan is definitely not what I’d define as clutch.

Nor is he a guy that should ever be depended on to be clutch (offensively). Because that's not his skillset.

Was Russ Rob clutch (offensively)? Who the hell knows. Because we didn't use him like that because that wasn't what he was good at.

And this is your fun fact of the day presented by illy, before Ousdahl comes in to push his DH turns it over too much narrative....Russell Robinson averaged more turnovers per game in less minutes per game for his career than Dajuan Harris.

I waa going to say Russ' team had more possessions per game so his TOs might not have been a 1 to 1 comparison... because those teams seemed to play faster so more possessions, turnovers slightly less impactful.

But...I would've been wrong.

Russ' teams 70.4 possessions per game

Dajuans (this year) 71 possessions per game

Good point. I didn't think of that. I am surprised by that too.

Another thing that surprised me was that RussRob has a higher career usage % than DH.

[BiggDick]

I dunno if it does much good to make these direct comparisons between players on different teams across eras and such.

But, I would have agreed tho that Russ's teams at least seemed to play faster. And, just thinking out loud about whether it matters: The modern era has a shorter shot clock, and also an even shorter reset after an offensive rebound.

IMHO Russ was a lot tougher than Dajuan. Played with more intensity. Those are prob subjective metrics tho, so I guess come at me with the eye test or something.

I'm surprised Russ had a higher usage than Dajuan too, considering I'm pretty sure he was also on more balanced teams with more talent top to bottom/across the roster over the course of his career.

[BiggDick]

Dajuan is definitely not what I’d define as clutch. He’s also not a guy I’d point a finger at for the Houston loss.

Zeke, AJ easily before Dajuan.
Yes AJ is off the bench but he was brutal in his minutes.

I think there's blame to go around. Yea, AJ was brutal. And yea, Zeke screwed up come critical inbounds.

Now, without identifying who should get blame "before" others (but yea others prob do before Dajuan), and if you can at least get away with saying Dajuan is not what you'd define as clutch, let me discuss two particular plays/sequences that are bugging me.

One is the two missed FTs that would have iced it.

One is at the end of regulation:

tied with :11 left, Dajuan takes the inbounds, just fucking stands there looking in the backcourt and doesn't even start dribbling til :08, hesitantly dribbles from one side of the backcourt (like horizontally from one sideline to the other instead of downhill towards the hoop) and straight into a double team where he picks up his dribble, then around :03 finally just bails himself out by chucking it to a guarded Rylan up against the sideline who bobbles the pass outta bounds...turnover with :01 left.

In real time, I kinda blamed Rylan for loosing the ball. And watching it again, still kinda feel that way. But I also dunno what Rylan was supposed to do once Dajuan passed him the ball up against the sideline with a defender all over him like 25 feet from the hoop.

Maybe we're supposed to blame coach and/or blame some other player/s for a blown play or something.

But to see such an experienced PG operate with no real situational awareness, no urgency, no instinct to shoot it himself or even just go toward the hoop, no lightbulb moment like OH SHIT I GOTTA TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN..ugh

[DeletedUser]

Your basketball IQ is showing again.

DH was initiating a play. He delayed starting running the play for those few seconds so that people could get into position. The first 2 or 3 options of the play got blown up (because Houston is good at defense and well coached). The bail out option was kick it to Rylan for 3.

You try so hard to make EVERY loss about DH. Because you've made that your sole purpose around here. The fact you have to use the qualifier "probably" when discussing who you blame is evidence of this. You refuse to blame Zeke for his 2 obvious fuck ups that cost us the game. Those 2 free throws of DHs happened in OT. We should have never been in OT. Those 2 free throws were missed UP 6 fucking points with 18 seconds left. The horrible decisions that followed are what cost us, NOT those 2 free throws. You shouldn't need to be up 7 or 8 points with 18 seconds.

You do this on multiple topics across multiple sections of this board. Predetermine a stance and then spend YEARS trying to justify it and prove to everyone how smart you really are.

This is why you really struggle to peacefully exist around here.

[KUTradition]

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[KUTradition]

Nor is he a guy that should ever be depended on to be clutch (offensively). Because that's not his skillset.

Was Russ Rob clutch (offensively)? Who the hell knows. Because we didn't use him like that because that wasn't what he was good at.

And this is your fun fact of the day presented by illy, before Ousdahl comes in to push his DH turns it over too much narrative....Russell Robinson averaged more turnovers per game in less minutes per game for his career than Dajuan Harris.

I waa going to say Russ' team had more possessions per game so his TOs might not have been a 1 to 1 comparison... because those teams seemed to play faster so more possessions, turnovers slightly less impactful.

But...I would've been wrong.

Russ' teams 70.4 possessions per game

Dajuans (this year) 71 possessions per game

Good point. I didn't think of that. I am surprised by that too.

Another thing that surprised me was that RussRob has a higher career usage % than DH.

i’m kinda surprised by the usage %

personally, i’d take DH over Russ…maybe there’s some recency bias tho

[DeletedUser]

8pts 12ast 1to. Locked down Cryer. And the only jayhawk to have multiple 3s made besides Rylan.

And Ous is on day 3 of blaming DH because he just can't help himself.

Typical.

[pdub]

IMHO Russ was a lot tougher than Dajuan. Played with more intensity. Those are prob subjective metrics tho, so I guess come at me with the eye test or something.

Yea we'll take your word for it.
You seem very objective when it comes to talking about Dajuan Harris - no bias at all.

[BiggDick]

hey man, you're the one who said you definitely wouldn't define him as clutch.

[DeletedUser]

hey man, you're the one who said you definitely wouldn't define him as clutch.

Is RussRob clutch?

[pdub]

I would not define RussRob as clutch either.

[BiggDick]

It's a tough subjective assessment but I think I'd give him an edge.

This may be an effect of the Russ teams overall being better at executing late game and winning close ones than we have been the last couple years.

my assessment may be some recency effect but in the other direction.

[pdub]

Put Mario Chalmers 08, Brandon Rush 08, Darrell Arthur 08, Sasha Kaun 08, Sherron Collins 08, Darnell Jackson 08 on this years squad and see if we execute late game any better.