The conference

[DeletedUser]

We've had a lot of great players who I wouldn't think of the word "clutch" right away when describing them. Mostly because it wasn't their role.

That's a unique title to earn in sports. When I think of guys we've had who were clutch obviously Chalmers comes to mind first. Sherron. Frank. Devonte. We've had some clutch shooters I'd always be happy taking an open 3 like Rush McLemore Gradey Svi (the junior or senior version). We've probably had even less big men I'd consider "clutch" in the way it's being discussed. Arthur was clutch. I'm sure I'm forgetting several guys.

But the point is that you don't need "clutch" scorers at all 5 positions.

And totally discounting that 12 assists is clear and objective evidence that a player is creating opportunities for others and helping the offense is more high BBIQ.

You proposed we cut DH to 25min to give extra minutes to a player like Coit to "get him comfortable for the tournament". When in reality, DH playing alongside players like Rylan and Bidunga is helping those more important players get comfortable. How many of DH assists were to those 2 players Saturday? That's your homework for this morning.

The reality is, by tournament time, Coit is hopefully not even in the rotation. We want those minutes going to Griffen Shak and Storr. Coit is a liability due to his size in most important matchups. If Coit is averaging 15 or 20 min per game, especially if his shooting continues to suck in games against bigger teams (look at his shooting game logs, his big games are mostly against shit teams), then something has gone wrong with Storr and Shak.

Shak is already capable and ready to play 25+ on any night. Same with Griffen. Storr needs to get there.

[DeletedUser]

Put Mario Chalmers 08, Brandon Rush 08, Darrell Arthur 08, Sasha Kaun 08, Sherron Collins 08, Darnell Jackson 08 on this years squad and see if we execute late game any better.

LOL

Right. Throw it to Chalmers and get the fuck out of the way.

Late game RussRob wasn't even always on the court once Sherron got there.

[pdub]

Put Mario Chalmers 08, Brandon Rush 08, Darrell Arthur 08, Sasha Kaun 08, Sherron Collins 08, Darnell Jackson 08 on this years squad and see if we execute late game any better.

LOL

Right. Throw it to Chalmers and get the fuck out of the way.

Late game RussRob wasn't even always on the court once Sherron got there.

Oh god, here comes ous talking about Remy.

[DeletedUser]

Fuck me. See you in 3 pages.

[BiggDick]

You try so hard to make EVERY loss about DH.

I think there's blame to go around.

Because you've made that your sole purpose around here. The fact you have to use the qualifier "probably" when discussing who you blame is evidence of this.

Now, without identifying who should get blame "before" others (but yea others prob do before Dajuan)


actually, by this, I really mean there probably are others who deserve blame more than Dajuan! Let's not argue over whatever contrarian spin you want to put on "probably"

You refuse to blame Zeke for his 2 obvious fuck ups that cost us the game.

yea, Zeke screwed up come [sic] critical inbounds.

Those 2 free throws of DHs happened in OT. We should have never been in OT. Those 2 free throws were missed UP 6 fucking points with 18 seconds left. The horrible decisions that followed are what cost us, NOT those 2 free throws. You shouldn't need to be up 7 or 8 points with 18 seconds.

When there's indeed blame to go around and it was indeed a comedy of errors that cost us the game, here you are giving a pass to our starting PG for missing 2 clutch free throws straight that would have won the game otherwise.

Now I know I shouldn't bother, except that his is yet another egregious example of your own bias showing, illy!

Yea I'm critical of Dajuan but it sounds like you're giving him a pass for blowing otherwise-game-deciding free throws here, while also putting words in my mouth (like saying I refuse to blame Zeke even though I blamed Zeke! and generally going for your signature contrarianism.

[DeletedUser]

Thanks for another recap.

[BiggDick]

for real you guys it does not have to be this difficult!

And for real, let's keep the thread on topic:

Since someone else brought up Russ, let's give him and his teams credit for winning the conference every year he was here.

[MICHHAWK]

didn't you hear. since we don't win our conference anymore. winning the conference is no longer important.

[DeletedUser]

Yea I'm critical of Dajuan but it sounds like you're giving him a pass for blowing otherwise-game-deciding free throws here

Up 6, with 18 seconds left, DH should have been able to kick the ball into the stands twice in a row Harrison Butker style and we should win that game EASILY.

ESPN shows our win probability at that point after the missed BOTH free throws at 96.9% and 91.4% even AFTER they made a 3 and cut it to 3 with 5 seconds left.

Every free throw we missed was important. You're cherry picking 2 when the game was already sealed and disregarding that 1: we never should have been in OT in the first place. And 2: we should have won regardless because we were up 6 with 18 fucking seconds left. Those weren't game deciding free throws. Unless we are counting about a dozen plays as "game deciding".

[BiggDick]

yea. again illy, you are once again showing your own bias.

let's not double down on late-game free throws not mattering - especially if you can admit in the exact same post that every free throw we missed was important! (tho, that Harrison Butker comment is pretty funny)

I guess what you're opening for discussion, maybe, is whether some free throws are more important than others.

I would MUCH rather have a free throw with :18 left in regulation, than pointing fingers at-large to "about a dozen plays" throughout some unidentified other points the game.

The late-game free throws ARE the game-deciding free throws. Cuz, as it turns out, the game was NOT already sealed!

tho, yea, we should have never been in OT in the first place. Our late-game execution at the end of regulation sucked too.

[DeletedUser]

There's a video in the Houston thread. You should watch it.

They aren't unidentified plays throughout some other point of the game. There were a dozen plays OR decisions LATE in regulation, OT, and 2OT that were more important than those 2 missed free throws. Many came after those free throws or should have prevented those free throws from ever even having a chance to occur.

I'm not going to list them individually.

Let's move on. You're saying nothing new or different and providing nothing new or different to support your argument.

Your conclusion is that DH missed "game deciding" free throws. We've got it.

[pdub]

for real you guys it does not have to be this difficult!

It doesn't.
Dajuan was partly to blame for the loss - he should not have missed those free throws.
Zeke - with his poor shooting and critical turnovers - and AJ Storr - for his missing everything and doing nothing - were more to blame for the loss.

Easy peasy.

[BiggDick]

yea.

like I said.

I think there's blame to go around. Yea, AJ was brutal. And yea, Zeke screwed up come critical inbounds.

Now, without identifying who should get blame "before" others (but yea others prob do before Dajuan),

now, could you imagine the fallout if I tried to instead downplay those guys, like, for those inbounds plays maybe Zeke should have been able to kick the ball into the stands twice in a row Harrison Butker style!

[DeletedUser]

KU was up 2 points and up 3 points on those inbounds plays. Not 6 points. See the difference when using words like "game deciding"?

[BiggDick]

they're all factors!

We would have been more points on the inbounds plays if we had nailed the FTs seconds before!

let's not pick and choose which clutch mistakes are actually mistakes and which are no big deal for the sake of taking some teenyweeny stance contrarian to BiggDick's!

[pdub]

There are mistakes that are, because of their point of occurring in the game, bigger deals than others.
It's just how sports works.

Flory missed a shot with a little over 3 minutes left. Should we be talking about that?

[DeletedUser]

We would have been more points on the inbounds plays if we had nailed the FTs seconds before!

You realize the first inbounds plays was in regulation, right?

DH didn't miss those free throws until 18 seconds left in the 1st OT.

This is why it's sort of hard to do this with you. The facts matter.

Either way. I understand your stance on the Houston game. So we probably don't need another recap. I'll keep an eye out for your ground breaking analysis on DH after our next loss (whenever that may be).

[BiggDick]

Yes, I do realize Dajuan's missed FTs were with :18 left in the first OT, when we were up 6.

I think the part you quoted had a typo on my part - I meant to say, we would have been up more points on the inbounds plays if we had nailed the FTs seconds before. My bad!

Cuz, if we were up 8 with :18 left, it doesn't matter if Houston goes on to hit two more 3-pointers.

But, even after Dajuan missed both FTs, we shouldn't have given up two more 3-pointers, nor turned it over.

[BiggDick]

There are mistakes that are, because of their point of occurring in the game, bigger deals than others.
It's just how sports works.

Flory missed a shot with a little over 3 minutes left. Should we be talking about that?

come on PDub, don't be such an illy here.

We've already got illy for that!

[TDub]

omg why are you like this