Chiefs 2024

[jfish26]

The "Big Four" AFC QBs arr allegedly Mahomes, Allen, Lamar and Burrow.

2022: Chiefs beat Burrow and the Bengals in the AFCCG to advance to the Super Bowl
2023: Chiefs beat Lamar and the Ravens in the AFCCG to advance to the Super Bowl
2024: Chiefs beat Allen and the Bills in the AFCCG to advance to the Super Bowl

There is no Big Four. There is Mahomes and then three really good QBs in the tier behind him.

Yes. It’s a disservice to everyone involved to think of this differently.

My younger daughter has not been alive for a Chiefs season that ended before OT in the AFC Championship game.

She will be seven before the next one of those.

[Shirley]

[pdub]

Playoff Mahomes is different, at least in the last couple years, than regular season Mahomes.

Those MVP awards ( as I've said before I think they should extend into the postseason at least for consideration in the vote ) are for the regular season.

Lamar and Allen had much better regular seasons.

Don't really matter now though.

[jfish26]

Playoff Mahomes is different, at least in the last couple years, than regular season Mahomes.

Those MVP awards ( as I've said before I think they should extend into the postseason at least for consideration in the vote ) are for the regular season.

Lamar and Allen had much better regular seasons.

Don't really matter now though.

And nor will it ever matter; kinda like Bill's conference COY awards, Pat's MVPs will be (and of course this is insane) a footnote to his plaque.

[twocoach]

Playoff Mahomes is different, at least in the last couple years, than regular season Mahomes.

Those MVP awards ( as I've said before I think they should extend into the postseason at least for consideration in the vote ) are for the regular season.

Lamar and Allen had much better regular seasons.

Don't really matter now though.

Yep. In 22 HoF seasons, Tom Brady only won 3 MVPs compared to 5 Super Bowl MVPs and 7 Super Bowls.
Manning won 5 MVPs, but just 1 Super Bowl MVP and 2 Super Bowls.

Here's to hoping Mahomes can keep winning as many Super Bowls as possible.

[KUTradition]

I have not had the chance the read the entire game thread, but I am looking forward to doing that this evening when I have more time.
Should you be interested in a few of my takeaways from the game, here they are:
I thought the game was going to be a blowout after each team's first drive. I must be a bad Bill's fan, because there we were with two and half minutes left in the fourth quarter, with the ball, and times out, and the chance to win it.
The early loss of Benford hurt us.
I knew having Taylor Rapp out of the game would hurt us. Somebody here said before the game that Rapp is not very good. That is true. So, you can assume that his replacement (rookie Bishop, who did not play a defensive snack in the prior game) is even worse.
Having good players healthy is what great teams do. I would like to say that the Bills earning the bye would have helped, but that is not true in this case since the injuries were in the last two games (where the 1st seeded team also plays). So, great teams have great players or the scheme to deal with it (The bills didn't have enough of that last night).
I was repeatedly amazed to hear the Bills fans in the stands over the TV broadcast. I did not think that possible in Arrowhead.
It was very frustrating thinking that my offensive coordinator did not think that the Chief's defensive coordinator would not come up with something to counter a tush push. And test that, what.. like 3-4 times?
I feel badly for Bills fans who do not follow another sport or team like me. Being a Kansas basketball fan has taught me to enjoy the journey. Only one decent team ends the season with a win!!
Credit to the Chiefs organization for the win last night.
Someday, the Buffalo Bills will win a Super Bowl, and it will be incredibly meaningful for Buffalo (who has never won a Super Bowl or World Series or MLs cups or Stanley Cup).

out of curiosity, does your Bills fandom date back to the Jim Kelly/Thurman Thomas years?

is the disappointment comparable?

[pdub]

I was wondering what would be worse...
What happened yesterday, sending the Bills 0-4 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs.
Or, going to the Super Bowl and loosing, making them 0-5.

[jfish26]

I was wondering what would be worse...
What happened yesterday, sending the Bills 0-4 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs.
Or, going to the Super Bowl and loosing, making them 0-5.

This is a Chiefs-centric view of the universe, but - I suppose I would answer that just like Bill needed to break through the Elite Eight, the Bills need to break through Mahomes.

[AlOerter]

I in some ways understand how the Bills fans feel. We went through disappointment for many seasons prior to the Mahomes/Reid era. I'm still mad about the Grbac for Gannon lunacy for one. Had a lot of good teams here before breaking through.

[jfish26]

Patrick Mahomes Will Always Make You Pay

https://defector.com/patrick-mahomes-wi ... ke-you-pay

You can’t win against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. I know you THINK you can. I know you saw all those graphics about the Chiefs stringing together one-score win after one-score win and said to yourself, Well, that’s not analytically sustainable, right before they made your team their next victim. I know that the Bills, who spent the entirety of last night’s AFC title game playing like the proverbial dog on the porch who’s tired of getting kicked, could have won that game had just one thing gone differently. Slide a door and there isn’t a game-breaking disagreement between opposing side judges on Josh Allen’s failed fourth-down attempt. Slide another and Xavier Worthy doesn’t Fail Mary his way to the 3-yard line toward the close of the first half. Slide another and the Bills don’t call a piddly shit bubble screen on third-and-10 on their final drive. To lose to the Chiefs is to be trapped in a room of nothing but sliding doors, all of them bolted shut.

It’s enough to drive you mad, and that madness will be on full display today and forever. It will manifest itself on sports talk radio, and on television, and on the internet. The Bills were just an inch away from beating the Chiefs, you swear. It’s a lie that’s equal parts comforting and enraging. Buffalo should have won that game, you’ll tell everyone. But nefarious external forces—the refs, the league office, Big Government—deliberately fixed the outcome in Kansas City’s favor. It’s not just. It’s not even real. Fetch me my bag of asterisks. All my life, this has been the preferred defense mechanism for all sports fans in the face of greatness. This is because it feels better to deny greatness—to believe what can’t be defeated can be—than to accept your team’s powerlessness against it.

But you and I are powerless against Mahomes and the Chiefs, just as the Eagles will be two weeks hence. They’re so talented, so well-organized, and so smart that they have the rest of the world seeing black magic where there's none to be found. The Chiefs never let you forget your mistakes. In fact, they’ll capitalize on them to such a degree that every bad decision you make against them will look like the worst decision that anyone has ever made. Every call that goes in their favor feels predetermined specifically because they know how to inflict maximum pain in the wake of it. That Worthy double catch? The Chiefs scored a touchdown three plays later. That controversial stoning of Allen, the would-be Niagran Nightmare, on fourth down? The Chiefs scored a touchdown five plays later. Every time you fuck up against the Chiefs, even if you swear it’s not your fault, you pay. It’s so automatic as to feel like sorcery.

This is how greatness works. Greatness does its homework. Greatness pressures opponents into making mistakes because those opponents are already certain that greatness will make none of its own. And greatness has no sympathy for what you and I think should have happened. Greatness locks every door behind it and ignores your every cry from the other side. When greatness persists, it takes on a sheen of ordinariness that fosters ennui—and naturally, resentment—among those who witness it. It happened when Tom Brady won seven Super Bowls. It happened when the Jordan Bulls turned the New York Knicks into their annual springtime whipping boy. It happened when Tiger Woods bent every major field to his will before he’d even teed off.

And it’s happening now. Patrick Mahomes is 29 years old. He has not thrown an interception since before Thanksgiving. He has gone to the AFC title game every year he’s been a starter: seven and counting. He’s the MVP of the league every year, even when he isn’t formally awarded the honor. He already has three Lombardi Trophies, and he can easily double (triple?) that amount in the coming years. I wish I could tell you that this is just a case of Fate being mean, but that would be a cheap act of denial. I’d be denying that Kansas City officially won all of these games, and will never un-win them. I’d also be denying the fact that, as long as the Chiefs’ championship window is open, every other team’s is closed. Mine included.

More important, I’d be denying that a real live human being (and Patrick Mahomes, despite he and his family's glaring anti-charisma, very much is one) can do things that scan as both physically and emotionally inhuman. How does Mahomes always know where everyone on the field is, and where they’ll be two seconds from now? Why do his screen passes always go for a zillion yards and your team’s get snuffed out right at the catch point? How is he is able to bust out a long run while looking like he’s scurrying into a rest stop bathroom? How come he always manages to have the ball last, every game?

There are terrestrial answers to all of these questions, most of them rooted in a marriage of supreme ability and flawless preparation. Predictable answers. Boring answers. As Brian Phillips once wrote of Peyton Manning, “This is how he plays football: He goes out every week with a graphing calculator and a stack of forms, and he just audits teams to death.” No one wants to root for an accountant. More important, no one wants to be defeated by one. But at this level of sport, greatness is in the accounting. Every line item, every dollar, every last detail … it’s all been noted and addressed. If you can’t see that, it’s because you don’t want to. Patrick Mahomes will force you to see it eventually. Curses aren’t real. But he is, and there’s nothing you can do about it.

[pdub]

Love it.
But this. Come on.
"He already has three Lombardi Trophies, and he can easily double...that amount."

I put his over/under at 5.5 because it's really freaking hard to win Super Bowls.
And the under is -130 and the over + 105.

[Sparko]

As a Kansas fan, there were a lot of bad breaks this year. One handed drop pass catches. Seeing eye fumbles. End of half jaw dropping turns of fate. The Chiefs have had some unlucky breaks every game, especially last night, but win anyway. Everyone does their job. Perine, Hollywood, Kareem. Kansas always seemed to have a guy drop the ball on a sweep or miss a fumble. And then implode

[twocoach]

Ha! Andy Reid stole this play from Baltimore after seeing the Ravens gash Buffalo with it in a 35-10 thrashing of the Bills in Week 4. I don't think he broke it out in the regular season game vs. Buffalo but KC had 2 TD runs out of this formation yesterday.

Love it, thank you Baltimore!

[twocoach]

Since 2001, there have been 125 drives where it was at least the 4th quarter, there was under a minute to play and the team on offense trails by 7 or fewer points. The true "clutch moments".

Out of those 125 drives, QB got the points they needed 50 of those 125 times, a 40% success rate. Brady was a little better than average, converting 5 of 11 times (45.45%). Brees was 3 of 6 (50%).

Patrick Mahomes is 7-7, the only QB in history who has a perfect 100% success rate in those moments.

[KUTradition]

that’s just crazy

[pdub]

Since 2001, there have been 125 drives where it was at least the 4th quarter, there was under a minute to play and the team on offense trails by 7 or fewer points. The true "clutch moments".

Out of those 125 drives, QB got the points they needed 50 of those 125 times, a 40% success rate. Brady was a little better than average, converting 5 of 11 times (45.45%). Brees was 3 of 6 (50%).

Patrick Mahomes is 7-7, the only QB in history who has a perfect 100% success rate in those moments.

I think I had seen this earlier this season.
This doesn't apply to the playoffs so far this year though ( as in, his 7-7 record has not changed ).

[twocoach]

Since 2001, there have been 125 drives where it was at least the 4th quarter, there was under a minute to play and the team on offense trails by 7 or fewer points. The true "clutch moments".

Out of those 125 drives, QB got the points they needed 50 of those 125 times, a 40% success rate. Brady was a little better than average, converting 5 of 11 times (45.45%). Brees was 3 of 6 (50%).

Patrick Mahomes is 7-7, the only QB in history who has a perfect 100% success rate in those moments.

I think I had seen this earlier this season.
This doesn't apply to the playoffs so far this year though ( as in, his 7-7 record has not changed ).

Yes, but it factors into that feeling of inevitability that exists. Buffalo tied the game with 6:15 to go in the 4th and it felt like it wasn't a matter of whether KC could score to break the tie but was just a matter of whether they scored three or seven points.

[pdub]

The things i'm reading/hearing about the 4th down stop is just too much.
Ultimately I understand, who cares what anyone else thinks but the narrative has gone off the rails.

The officials decided they couldn't determine it was a 1st. It's that simple. And if you also don't think that you're not thinking objectively when looking at the replay. That's why there was a replay. It was such a close call!

And then, on top of that, its a 1st down at midfield with what, 11 minutes left in the game?
You think that 1st down would have doomed the Chiefs from winning? That Mahomes and the Chiefs couldn't have figured out a way to win after a 1st down at midfield at the start of the 4th quarter?

Please.

[twocoach]

The things i'm reading/hearing about the 4th down stop is just too much.
Ultimately I understand, who cares what anyone else thinks but the narrative has gone off the rails.

The officials decided they couldn't determine it was a 1st. It's that simple. And if you also don't think that you're not thinking objectively when looking at the replay. That's why there was a replay. It was such a close call!

And then, on top of that, its a 1st down at midfield with what, 11 minutes left in the game?
You think that 1st down would have doomed the Chiefs from winning? That Mahomes and the Chiefs couldn't have figured out a way to win after a 1st down at midfield at the start of the 4th quarter?

Please.

KC had to deal with settling for a punt instead of completing a drive with a score thanks to a missed call so I do not feel bad for Buffalo having to do exactly the same. And having the correct 15 yard facemask penalty performed would have given KC the ball at the Bills 21 yard line and a near certain ending to the drive of points vs. this play, where Buffalo was at the Chiefs 41/40 yard line.

And as I said before, if someone's complaint is that the Worthy catch shouldn't have been called completed, then that is a call that probably ended up helping Buffalo more than it helped KC as it gave Buffalo enough time to get the ball back and score a TD before halftime. Call that catch differently and KC probably runs out the first half clock before their TD score.

[DeletedUser]

I see no need for mental gymnastics. Bad calls happen every single game.

This is just how dynasty teams are treated by the opposing fanbases. Everything is rigged or cheating.