Israel/Palestine

[twocoach]

it doesn't matter who is president. my life never changes.

Welcome to being an educated white male born to property owners in America.

[BiggDick]

good point, Shirley!

ETA about Dems not holding primaries.

If I can even try to say so any more. But I do mean it sincerely.

ETA also it's a bummer you stopped reading there. I really don't get these posters who go for this sort of vote-shaming while also purporting to be some champions of democracy.

related, and again - if the only thing standing up for Democracy is the Democratic Party, then I sure do hope the Democratic Party figures out how to appeal to more voters.

"Warning people that one of the people running for President intends to rip our country apart is undemocratic!"

I don't even know what to do with this other than to say that I think you have some priorities backwards.

if you want to distinguish that much, sure.

But - and trying to keep the thread on topic here - for one party and candidate to be accusing the other of fascism or something similar, while also telling otherwise-concerned voters to stop making such a big deal about all the weapons they're supplying to war criminals (among other issues), it just seems a bit disillusioning.

[japhy]

What a crock of shit.

Efficient and concise, I like your style.

The point of voting is to get results. One side is getting results even if they are not a majority in our society. The majority will need to find common ground if they gonna reduce the effects of minority rule. That will mean some compromise from competing factions, rather than splintering and being easily defeated.

purity rings are for virgins 2.

Vir·gin
/ˈvərjən/
noun
1.
a person who has never had sexual intercourse:
"she's still a virgin"
2.
a person who is naive, innocent, or inexperienced in a particular context:
"a political virgin"

[BiggDick]

Japhy, again, I just think your, and dem party, energy in general would be better spent trying to figure out how to appeal to more voters, rather than to mock voters about things like purity.

[MICHHAWK]

thats what i been doing. kicking back. living off. riding the coattails. of whoever came before me.

how'd you know.

[defixione]

it doesn't matter who is president. my life never changes.

I hope you're strapped in.

[MICHHAWK]

since i have been an adult i have survived:

george bush
bill clinton
george bush
barracks obama
dt
old uncle

i have no fear of the next 4 years. none.

[Sparko]

You'll never see it coming, Mich. Like the clue that passed you years ago.

[twocoach]

good point, Shirley!

ETA about Dems not holding primaries.

If I can even try to say so any more. But I do mean it sincerely.

ETA also it's a bummer you stopped reading there. I really don't get these posters who go for this sort of vote-shaming while also purporting to be some champions of democracy.

related, and again - if the only thing standing up for Democracy is the Democratic Party, then I sure do hope the Democratic Party figures out how to appeal to more voters.

"Warning people that one of the people running for President intends to rip our country apart is undemocratic!"

I don't even know what to do with this other than to say that I think you have some priorities backwards.

if you want to distinguish that much, sure.

But - and trying to keep the thread on topic here - for one party and candidate to be accusing the other of fascism or something similar, while also telling otherwise-concerned voters to stop making such a big deal about all the weapons they're supplying to war criminals (among other issues), it just seems a bit disillusioning.

No one said "stop making such a big deal about all the weapons..." that's just you being overly dramatic to make your point. Obviously, what Israel was doing with the weapons provided by the US was a big deal. But making it a reason to allow Donald Trump to become President, who was planning to rip apart OUR country and who is now backing up that plan with action, is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[jfish26]

seriously dude?

Fish, you probably more than any other poster have shamed me for voting third party*, and suggested a Trump L/Kamala W if I didn't.

Tho, I do agree, it IS fantastical, and a straw man.

I also agree that this looks like a multi-generation backlslide. But I'm afraid that backslide has been in effect for quite some time now, and has happened and is happening in ways that are due to more than just one president or party.

I would also be curious to hear you clarify what you mean when you say dems "should not have watered down the Harris/Walz potion when it appeared to have the needed strength."





*for real, look! You just did it right here, by the end of the exact same post you claimed not to!

Nobody is saying that your third-party vote cost Dems the election.
...

But fuck and yes I blame these issues voters, as well, for recklessly and arrogantly and foolishly and selfishly failing to digest the gravity of the decision before them.

unless you wanna distinguish "issues voters" from "third-party" votes.

but I think "issues voters" is a tell, here. If voters are NOT voting on issues, then what are they voting on, exactly?

Oh yeah, that's right: rigid partisan allegiance.

As often happens, you are responding to a point you WANT to respond to (regardless of whether it was made), as opposed to the point that was made.

I will say again:

Nobody is saying that your third-party vote cost Dems the election.

I have never ever, not one time, said that your third-party vote cost Dems the election.

But the point that was made by the balance of my post* is that, taken together, all of the votes withheld from Harris on bases like yours are what caused Trump's victory.

* emphasis added:

However, the number of people who did not vote for Harris on the basis of some issue on which Trump would obviously be just as bad if not worse (whether that is Gaza, or egg prices, or free speech, or what the fuck ever) is absolutely a MULTIPLE of the number of votes that would have been needed to avert what sure looks like a multi-generation backslide (if we're lucky).

Do the Dems deserve blame for lots of things? Yes. Among many other things (and limiting to the 2024 cycle only), they should have been clearer-eyed on Biden's weakness and non-viability as a candidate, and then they should not have watered down the Harris/Walz potion when it appeared to have the needed strength.

But fuck and yes I blame these issues voters, as well, for recklessly and arrogantly and foolishly and selfishly failing to digest the gravity of the decision before them.

[twocoach]

since i have been an adult i have survived:

george bush
bill clinton
george bush
barracks obama
dt
old uncle

i have no fear of the next 4 years. none.

There is no need to continue to post the same thing over and over and over. Yes, we all agree that there is no reason for a white conservative male to be concerned about the next four years because it was never about the economy and the increased prices and taxes you will be paying under Trump.

[Sparko]

good point, Shirley!

ETA about Dems not holding primaries.

If I can even try to say so any more. But I do mean it sincerely.

ETA also it's a bummer you stopped reading there. I really don't get these posters who go for this sort of vote-shaming while also purporting to be some champions of democracy.

related, and again - if the only thing standing up for Democracy is the Democratic Party, then I sure do hope the Democratic Party figures out how to appeal to more voters.

"Warning people that one of the people running for President intends to rip our country apart is undemocratic!"

I don't even know what to do with this other than to say that I think you have some priorities backwards.

if you want to distinguish that much, sure.

But - and trying to keep the thread on topic here - for one party and candidate to be accusing the other of fascism or something similar, while also telling otherwise-concerned voters to stop making such a big deal about all the weapons they're supplying to war criminals (among other issues), it just seems a bit disillusioning.

The perfect is the enemy of the good. And in your case, the myth that launches 1000 posts.

[MICHHAWK]

There is no need to continue to post the same thing over and over and over.

you might consider taking your own advice.

[Overlander]

thats what i been doing. kicking back. living off. riding the coattails. of whoever came before me.

how'd you know.

Mumblings of a mental patient.

[Sparko]

No man is an Island, but some are rocky crags trying desperately to chip themselves off at the coast.

[defixione]

Japhy, again, I just think your, and dem party, energy in general would be better spent trying to figure out how to appeal to more voters, rather than to mock voters about things like purity.

You're that comfortable in your position that you are still pointing fingers at the Democrats while facing the impending collapse of democracy here?

[Sparko]

Japhy, again, I just think your, and dem party, energy in general would be better spent trying to figure out how to appeal to more voters, rather than to mock voters about things like purity.

You're that comfortable in your position that you are still pointing fingers at the Democrats while facing the impending collapse of democracy here?

He did his part depressing the vote.

[jfish26]

Japhy, again, I just think your, and dem party, energy in general would be better spent trying to figure out how to appeal to more voters, rather than to mock voters about things like purity.

You're that comfortable in your position that you are still pointing fingers at the Democrats while facing the impending collapse of democracy here?

It's sort of amazing.

I don't think anyone would disagree that the Democrats made the "impending collapse of democracy" point consistently and with strength. To the point of constant mocking for it.

And so, if the "dem party" is to blame for Harris's loss, because it did not "appeal to more voters," then isn't it implicit (in assigning that blame) that voters simply did not find the "impending collapse of democracy" point to have been appealing?

And in that case...what's that say about the voters?

[MICHHAWK]

"for every action. we are going to have a grotesque overreaction"

-internet deviants and malcontents-

[jfish26]

"for every action. we are going to have a grotesque overreaction"

-internet deviants and malcontents-

Speaking of, care to share your work on the Biden Crime Family's egg arbitrage scheme?