DEI policies defeated

[jfish26]

fish - "the obviously and objectively, at the time, wrong ones" here were establishment dems, who campaigned on some sort of messaging like, "but if you have economic concerns them maybe you're just dumb cuz actually the stock market is doing great!"

There is ample record on this site of why I and others asserted that the inflation attack angle (as used in support of Trump and/or in opposition to Harris) was arrant, tenth-graders-can-see-through-it nonsense.

It is incorrect to say that "look at the stock market" was the primary basis for, or essential support for, that assertion.

It takes no special training or experience to understand that a pro-immigrant-roundup, pro-tariff set of policies would necessarily be inflationary.

That a pro-immigrant-roundup, pro-tariff set of policies would necessarily be inflationary was in fact messaged, over and over and over.

People who chose to ignore this fall into one of only two buckets: they were wrong (and still chose to swallow the hard-coding of the bigotry etc. as an acceptable consequence of lower prices), OR they actually did not care about lower prices at all (and chose to swallow higher prices as an acceptable consequence of hard-coding the bigotry etc.).

[pdub]

'who campaigned on some sort of messaging like, "but if you have economic concerns them maybe you're just dumb cuz actually the stock market is doing great!"'

This wasn't the central message of their campaign.
We've gone over this.
Just stop dude. Just stop.

[BiggDick]

sigh.

I just don't think it's wise to keep doubling down on things that don't work. But the longer this goes, the more likely it seems Dems will not learn a thing.

Just to at least kind of keep the thread on topic: we should be asking ourselves how the candidate who was more of a threat to things like DEI managed to gain a percentage of-color and woman voters than last election anyway.

but, credit where credit is due: Kamala did manage to pick up more votes from the LGBTQ+ demographic.

[DeletedUser]

Dude, you're repeating yourself.

We are well aware of your beliefs at this point. You don't have to be the center piece of every single topic around here.

It's okay to read and not respond. Or even read and think "lulz" to yourself without posting it.

How do you not see that this is the cause of your issues around here? You're not scoring points or changing minds. Maybe just post less? Or maybe post your opinion 1 or 2 times instead of 100s of posts in 1 or 2 day spans saying the exact same things over and over (and expecting new results).

[KUTradition]

I just don't think it's wise to keep doubling down on things that don't work



can’t make this shit up

[pdub]

The Democrats fumbled the ball because they held onto a candidate that was, in a normal timeline where there wasn't a tyrant focused on autocracy, unfit to be certain to serve for the future. And then had to rush in a replacement that many possible voters didn't feel like was the best candidate ( because there wasn't any choice after the fumble ).

Your perceived notion that Biden and then Harris's message did not include sympathy/understanding that inflation was impacting the average Americans ( and proposed actions that might mitigate this ) is a you problem.

This is a perfect instance where someone could say, "do your own research" and actually mean it.

[KUTradition]

Dude, you're repeating yourself.

We are well aware of your beliefs at this point. You don't have to be the center piece of every single topic around here.

It's okay to read and not respond. Or even read and think "lulz" to yourself without posting it.

How do you not see that this is the cause of your issues around here? You're not scoring points or changing minds. Maybe just post less? Or maybe post your opinion 1 or 2 times instead of 100s of posts in 1 or 2 days spans saying the exact same things over and over (and expecting new results).

he’s accomplishing two things

1) looking like an ass

2) souring relationships

[KUTradition]

i’ll also point out, again, that the U.S. economy was leading the world in covid recovery

do we all wish it were better? sure

but to pretend that what the Biden admin had done wasn’t working (or, even worse, exacerbated the situation), is either ignorant or disingenuous

[pdub]

And the Biden admin did address inflation consistently and understood it's effect on its citizens.

Just bc Shirley was posting things about the stock market on kansascrimson.com does not mean that the central message of Biden's admin was "but if you have economic concerns them maybe you're just dumb cuz actually the stock market is doing great!"

[BiggDick]

The Democrats fumbled the ball because they held onto a candidate that was, in a normal timeline where there wasn't a tyrant focused on autocracy, unfit to be certain to serve for the future. And then had to rush in a replacement that many possible voters didn't feel like was the best candidate ( because there wasn't any choice after the fumble ).

I still wonder how election woulda panned out if Dems had held a primary

even up to and including as late as, in the wake of Biden withdrawing

[jfish26]

i’ll also point out, again, that the U.S. economy was leading the world in covid recovery

do we all wish it were better? sure

but to pretend that what the Biden admin had done wasn’t working (or, even worse, exacerbated the situation), is either ignorant or disingenuous

And to be clear, "blame" for this stuff is very much on a sliding scale; someone in a rural area who sources their news only from right-owned local affiliates and from facebook memes bears less blame than others.

They are more victim than perp.

But I don't think it is a stretch at all to look at the election results and conclude that the election was swung by egg-pricers who absolutely can be charged with knowing better. I would take it a step further and suggest that the election was swung by only a FRACTION of those.

And what that fraction knowingly wrought was a United States government that blames women and minorities first, and then builds evidence for that blame.

[BiggDick]

And the Biden admin did address inflation consistently and understood it's effect on its citizens.

Just bc Shirley was posting things about the stock market on kansascrimson.com does not mean that the central message of Biden's admin was "but if you have economic concerns them maybe you're just dumb cuz actually the stock market is doing great!"

this is a good point too

though the messaging from the establishment dems posters here is often consistent with the messaging directly from the Democratic Party, we shouldn't pretend a few posters here is necessarily representative of the entire party

[KUTradition]

i’ll also point out, again, that the U.S. economy was leading the world in covid recovery

do we all wish it were better? sure

but to pretend that what the Biden admin had done wasn’t working (or, even worse, exacerbated the situation), is either ignorant or disingenuous

And to be clear, "blame" for this stuff is very much on a sliding scale; someone in a rural area who sources their news only from right-owned local affiliates and from facebook memes bears less blame than others.

They are more victim than perp.

But I don't think it is a stretch at all to look at the election results and conclude that the election was swung by egg-pricers who absolutely can be charged with knowing better. I would take it a step further and suggest that the election was swung by only a FRACTION of those.

And what that fraction knowingly wrought was a United States government that blames women and minorities first, and then builds evidence for that blame.

i think you mean “manufacture” evidence

[BiggDick]

1) looking like an ass

2) souring relationships

you know, I realize that anyone who tries for an opinion that deviates from the majority is prone to making oneself look like an "ass." And maybe I just look like an "ass" despite that, even!

but, even as I disagree with some of the majority's opinions, and do not even think the behavior sometimes exhibited by certain posters around here is exactly a model of temperament, I still just somehow still manage to just...kinda...shrug it off?

Even if we do disagree, and even if we do say unsavory things, I just don't think it's worth getting sour about it.

Life's just too short, man.

[KUTradition]

take it to reddit; you’re broken

man

[pdub]

And the Biden admin did address inflation consistently and understood it's effect on its citizens.

Just bc Shirley was posting things about the stock market on kansascrimson.com does not mean that the central message of Biden's admin was "but if you have economic concerns them maybe you're just dumb cuz actually the stock market is doing great!"

this is a good point too

though the messaging from the establishment dems posters here is often consistent with the messaging directly from the Democratic Party, we shouldn't pretend a few posters here is necessarily representative of the entire party

So are you walking this statement back then?

"the obviously and objectively, at the time, wrong ones" here were establishment dems, who campaigned on some sort of messaging like, "but if you have economic concerns them maybe you're just dumb cuz actually the stock market is doing great!"

Because, again, the leader of said party, Biden, and the potential leader of said party, Harris, never leaned into this -- or rather, didn't counter average Americans concerns with, 'you're dumb, look at the stock market'. I think you got confused bc Shirley would post stock updates and then just connected that message to them.

[BiggDick]

if I walk it back will it maybe make things less sour and maybe even sweeter, in a brownie points kinda way?

then, yes, I will absolutely walk it back.

either way, while maybe I could have phrased it better, I do think Dems didn't necessarily win voters over on economic issues this election. I hope that's not too controversial.

[pdub]

No dude.
You walk it back because what you said isn't accurate.
That's why you walk it back.

You don't have to do anything.
Just as illy has said, you bring this on yourself and then complain why people are angry at you.
You have a right to an opposing opinion here - unless you're a vile fuck face who supports a vile fuck face trying to destroy our Democracy - but that doesn't mean people will like you.

[BiggDick]

I don't think what I said was necessarily inaccurate. Could have been phrased better? sure. But the essence of it is, I think Dems spent too much energy trying to go for some narrative of their own perceived economic success, when voters at large were instead perceiving themselves as economically vulnerable. I think that's accurate, no?

and, let me reiterate, I don't support a vile fuck face! No matter how many times anyone tries to suggest the election math of zero votes in support of a fuck face is somehow eventually going to add up to something other than zero.

Think of it THIS way: I voted third party because I couldn't bring myself to support Fuck-Face-Lite as I thought that was, for my taste, still too similar to the original formula Vile Fuck Face. Just like illy did!

and bear in mind - this whole entire latest bicker today began precisely cuz I commented on another poster's scapegoating of "egg-pricers."

Rather than being opportunistically receptive to the economically concerned, we still got posters blaming them!

and in the DEI thread, of all places!

[Overlander]

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