DEI policies defeated

[jfish26]

Then the Dems would have hemorrhaged Jewish and Black votes.

The real world sucks sometimes.

I dunno if "hemmoraged" applies, but dems did loose black votes.

and, I don't mean this in a way to marginalize Jewish votes, but, I kinda wonder what the math is here of whether maybe loosing some Jewish votes too (on the specific issue of Gaza) would have been worthwhile if it resulted in a net gain of Dem votes overall for the sake of beating Trump.

Did they really "lose" those votes or were those voters removed from the voting rolls via shady voter suppression efforts by certain states? Did they really "lose" those votes or did things like 31 polling locations in Atlanta being closed for a period of time due to bomb threats have a chilling result on black voter turnout?

https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-su ... e-numbers/

Here are key numbers:

4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
No less than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.

To say nothing at all of what is almost certainly the most influential act/development of the cycle.

[BiggDick]

Yea, good find twocoach.

Related - I’ve been waiting for the Stolen Election ‘24 bombshells. Almost seems inevitable.

And, illy, to answer your question - I didn’t say anything that specific. But, yes, we have discussed polling to indicate Gaza was a significant issue to voters.

[DeletedUser]

But, yes, we have discussed polling to indicate Gaza was a significant issue to voters.

In the swing states?

I find it hard to believe it'd be in the top 5 most important issues for undecided swing state voters.

You'd have to provide some reputable data more than "we discussed polling".



(Since I do my own research...it's not a top 10 issue according to this data, and that doesn't even narrow it down to swing state undecided voters which likely skews it higher than it would be. If we are really trying to target it as something that decided the election. Otherwise looks like more baseless jibber jabber from you.)

https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/eco ... -vote.aspx

[BiggDick]

again, illy, I didn't say anything that specific. You're holding me to some standard of specificity I never even specified.

That poll you found is interesting. A couple particular things worth noting are that it was published in October, before the election; and that it does not mention Gaza specifically.

It DOES, however, mention the "situation in the Middle East between Israelis and Palestinians" as being either "extremely" or "very important" to almost 2/3s of voters polled.

It also mentions the Israel/Palestine situation is "extremely important" to 27% and 33% of democrats and republicans, respectively. It's interesting that this indicates the issue was extremely important to more republicans. Either way, extreme importance to 27% of Dems polled is significant.

[jfish26]

The issue though is the pro- or anti-Israel breakdown within those groups of voters.

The fundamental question is whether Harris taking a MORE anti-Israel, pro-Gaza position would have been a net gain or loss.

If you have data that would support the conclusion that it would have been a net gain, I'm certainly open to seeing it.

I don't think it would necessarily be dispositive; the who specifically is relevant, also, for unfortunate and non-ideal (but real) reasons.

[DeletedUser]

The issue though is the pro- or anti-Israel breakdown within those groups of voters.

Yes.

[BiggDick]

I've already shared one poll that indicated Israeli aggression on Gaza was the main issue among those who voted Dem in 20 but not 24.

I dunno if that concludes that it would have been a net gain, but that certainly seems to suggest something there.

There's also the fact Kamala literally campaigned on a ceasefire-in-Gaza rhetoric. But the thing is, she also campaigned on "Israel has a right to defend itself" rhetoric. That's to say, she was talking out of both sides of her mouth.

But, more significantly, it's what she did do about the issue of Gaza while second in command of the Biden administration.

In light of all that, the ceasefire rhetoric just kinda seems hollow, doesn't it?

I just really think it was, and is, a mistake to downplay the significance of the issue, and now much it affected, and how much it negatively affected, the democratic campaign for the big chair.

[twocoach]

Yea, good find twocoach.

Related - I’ve been waiting for the Stolen Election ‘24 bombshells. Almost seems inevitable.

And, illy, to answer your question - I didn’t say anything that specific. But, yes, we have discussed polling to indicate Gaza was a significant issue to voters.

Polling also indicated it was the economy, which also turned out to be a complete lie.

[twocoach]

I've already shared one poll that indicated Israeli aggression on Gaza was the main issue among those who voted Dem in 20 but not 24.

I dunno if that concludes that it would have been a net gain, but that certainly seems to suggest something there.

There's also the fact Kamala literally campaigned on a ceasefire-in-Gaza rhetoric. But the thing is, she also campaigned on "Israel has a right to defend itself" rhetoric. That's to say, she was talking out of both sides of her mouth.

But, more significantly, it's what she did do about the issue of Gaza while second in command of the Biden administration.

In light of all that, the ceasefire rhetoric just kinda seems hollow, doesn't it?

I just really think it was, and is, a mistake to downplay the significance of the issue, and now much it affected, and how much it negatively affected, the democratic campaign for the big chair.

A ceasefire and "Israel can defend themselves" are two separate things and not in conflict. What Israel was doing was no longer "defending itself."

[BiggDick]

well yea.

but, does Israel know that?

and, perhaps more significantly, for the sake of this discussion:

did Biden and Harris know that?

[BiggDick]

Yea, good find twocoach.

Related - I’ve been waiting for the Stolen Election ‘24 bombshells. Almost seems inevitable.

And, illy, to answer your question - I didn’t say anything that specific. But, yes, we have discussed polling to indicate Gaza was a significant issue to voters.

Polling also indicated it was the economy, which also turned out to be a complete lie.

yea, I agree, it's the economy, stoopid.

That is inevitably among the biggest issues, if not thee biggest issue, in any election.

and the economy the last 4 years, I'm afraid, was not something worth bragging about as part of a campaign.

[twocoach]

Yea, good find twocoach.

Related - I’ve been waiting for the Stolen Election ‘24 bombshells. Almost seems inevitable.

And, illy, to answer your question - I didn’t say anything that specific. But, yes, we have discussed polling to indicate Gaza was a significant issue to voters.

Polling also indicated it was the economy, which also turned out to be a complete lie.

yea, I agree, it's the economy, stoopid.

That is inevitably among the biggest issues, if not thee biggest issue, in any election.

and the economy the last 4 years, I'm afraid, was not something worth bragging about as part of a campaign.

Good lord. AGAIN. The US economy was literally performing better than all other major nations given the post-covid situation. Was it amazing on it's own? No, obviously not.

So because we didn't go from the complete shit pile Trump left behind to the greatest economy in world history, we reelected the idiot who helped run our economy into the ground, killing hundreds of thousands of US citizens in the process. And he has responded by throwing our country into chaos in part because of dipshits like you still echoing MAGA's faux outrage and carry on like the Dems shitcanned the economy instead of leading the US into the greatest post-covid economic recovery on the planet.

It's fucking insane that we are still doing this ignorant dance while that fucking shitstain tears our nation apart.

[DeletedUser]

JFC. He's still going?

This is insane. He has to have nearly 100 posts in the last 24ish hours.

Take a break dude. My goodness.

[BiggDick]

I don't disagree, twocoach!

But the thing is, the U.S. people are an egocentric bunch. I don't think we can make some appeal about the economies of other nations when most Americans struggle to understand the economy at the tips of their own noses.

[KUTradition]

JFC. He's still going?

This is insane. He has to have nearly 100 posts in the last 24ish hours.

Take a break dude. My goodness.

it’s sad

[Shirley]

Polling also indicated it was the economy, which also turned out to be a complete lie.

yea, I agree, it's the economy, stoopid.

That is inevitably among the biggest issues, if not thee biggest issue, in any election.

and the economy the last 4 years, I'm afraid, was not something worth bragging about as part of a campaign.

Good lord. AGAIN. The US economy was literally performing better than all other major nations given the post-covid situation. Was it amazing on it's own? No, obviously not.

So because we didn't go from the complete shit pile Trump left behind to the greatest economy in world history, we reelected the idiot who helped run our economy into the ground, killing hundreds of thousands of US citizens in the process. And he has responded by throwing our country into chaos in part because of dipshits like you still echoing MAGA's faux outrage and carry on like the Dems shitcanned the economy instead of leading the US into the greatest post-covid economic recovery on the planet.

It's fucking insane that we are still doing this ignorant dance while that fucking shitstain tears our nation apart.

^^^

[twocoach]

It's not like the choice was Harris or Pence. I would understand if the country swayed back to the right from Biden to a normal Republican.

Donald Trump is a convicted felon who would be charged and convicted of dozens more crimes if the courts were allowed to continue unimpeded. He has a long track record of horrible actions and behaviors, all of which individually should be automatic disqualifiers. Now he has surrounded himself with a fleet of scumbags and grifters and billionaires pulling up to the trough.

There are a dozen Dems that should have been no trainer choices over Trump because choosing Trump over anyone is anti-American and disgusting. So now our nation is fucked and our lives will be unquestionably worse and more expensive as a penalty for the stupidity of anyone who had a hand in putting this incompetent asshat back into the White House.

[KUTradition]

never mind the legal issues, he would’ve been convicted in the senate if mcconnell et al. had a spine and cared more about the country and constitution than winning re-election

[twocoach]