Chiefs 2024

[twocoach]

I was begging for us to pick DeJean nine months ago.

The guy they picked had a pretty good night once when they could actually get him the ball. But yeah, DeJean would have also been an amazing signing there. It's always interesting see how guys turn out when they go to certain organizations. It's part of why I think it's weird that KC seems to be on a bit of a run on bad offensive line draft picks considering Reid's history as an offensive line guy. Maybe it's just a cluster of bummer picks. Maybe it is the reality of always having your 1st round pick being down at the bottom of the round. Most teams usually flame up into the teens with a rare less than awesome season.

Mahomes was the last time KC had a 1st round pick earlier than #21 and he just finished his 8th season. KC is always having to take their offensive line picks after they have been picked through. You can still find some good players in the second round but it's just so much more of a crap shoot. Most of the elite offensive line players seem to go to shitty teams with shitty coaches and get ruined. Every now and then the broken ones can be salvaged. Philly did a good job putting Becton back together at RG after he had the misfortune of being drafted by the Jets. KC's defensive line didn't get much accomplished pressuring Hurts, either.

[pdub]

Worthy had a good season.
I think we coulda been better off with DeJean and Adonai.
We will see.

[pdub]

I’m hearing the Eagles did not blitz at all. All game. And yet Mahomes was sacked six times.

That’s a problem.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I heard Fangio was 0-8 against the Chiefs.
While he had a good/great game plan, I think the Chiefs helped gift him W #1.
Absolutely a lot of that is on the OL but Mahomes gets some blame too.

[pdub]

Yes, Mahomes was pretty poor for good parts of the game.
His first interception was a bad read -- just didn't see the extra coverage.
His second, on watching again, wasn't fully his fault - he got hit while throwing.

But yet he was pressured 16 times and they didn't blitz so he had to throw against zones with 7-8 guys back.
Much like the Tampa Bay game, you can't blame Mahomes for his pocket constantly collapsing.

[jfish26]

Yes, Mahomes was pretty poor for good parts of the game.
His first interception was a bad read -- just didn't see the extra coverage.
His second, on watching again, wasn't fully his fault - he got hit while throwing.

But yet he was pressured 16 times and they didn't blitz so he had to throw against zones with 7-8 guys back.
Much like the Tampa Bay game, you can't blame Mahomes for his pocket constantly collapsing.

It was just a comprehensive failure.

The line was getting caved in with pressure from only four.

Mahomes was a mental mess - playing scared (for good reason), stepping up too much into pressure, not getting the ball out.

The coaching never adapted; where was that quick game from the first drive of the Buffalo game? And would trying Humphries out after halftime have cost anything?

[pdub]

"...stepping up too much into pressure..."

You can put some blame on Mahomes here but he, hypothetically, should be able to see they are only rushing four and step up into the pocket to buy some time. But every time the pocket would just envelop him.

[jfish26]

"...stepping up too much into pressure..."

You can put some blame on Mahomes here but he, hypothetically, should be able to see they are only rushing four and step up into the pocket to buy some time. But every time the pocket would just envelop him.

But this was the consequence of Andy being (IMO) too conservative on what he did at LT.

Thuney - and this is not AT ALL a criticism of him as a player, and certainly not as a guy - is simply a below-average LT. So, too, was Humphries.

But at least Humphries would have been a below-average LT with an All Pro LG alongside him.

Thuney was a below-average LT with a below-average LG alongside him.

That meant, when the LT got caved in (which is how Thuney, who isn't a LT!, gets beat), the LG was getting caved in also. And so, stepping up was problem.

And of course all of this compounds itself (when you have to chip and/or leave TE/RBs to block, you have fewer outlets for the ball).

[pdub]

I agree...but I'm not fully sure Humphries was all the way healthy.
And he didn't even look so great when he was ( playing for us - albeit limited minutes ).

This was more the long term consequence of not tagging Orlando and signing Wylie and instead paying a below-average RT LT money.

[jfish26]

I agree...but I'm not fully sure Humphries was all the way healthy.
And he didn't even look so great when he was ( playing for us - albeit limited minutes ).

This was more the long term consequence of not tagging Orlando and signing Wylie and instead paying a below-average RT LT money.

I don't see eye-to-eye with you on the specifics, but I certainly agree with the broader point, that LT has been mismanaged.

[pdub]

"I don't see eye-to-eye with you on the specifics..."

Would you rather have had a comp pick this season and Andrew Wylie at RT + 17 million dollars orrrrrr Jawaan Taylor?

Because those are the specifics.

[jfish26]

"I don't see eye-to-eye with you on the specifics..."

Would you rather have had a comp pick this season and Andrew Wylie at RT + 17 million dollars orrrrrr Jawaan Taylor?

Because those are the specifics.

I think our differences here go back further (to Brown). But I really don't feel strongly enough about that to open it up, even with a long offseason yawning at us!

One of those things that, to me, is multiple failures converging to create a catastrophe.

Another one of those multiple failures is Kingsley - it sure looks, with the benefit of hindsight, that giving him LT-of-the-Future treatment in the preseason was a very very bad idea. Maybe it would have been good to understand, in mid-August, that at best he was a year (and perhaps a position change) away from being playable.

[pdub]

He was always going to be a project.
He has the build...but he was the last pick of the 2nd round so yea, he fell because of numerous question marks.
Even our no. 1 overall pick Eric Fisher took a good deal of time to be impactful.

[jfish26]

He was always going to be a project.
He has the build...but he was the last pick of the 2nd round so yea, he fell because of numerous question marks.
Even our no. 1 overall pick Eric Fisher took a good deal of time to be impactful.

Yeah. Agree. I just think that we might not have been so far behind the curve in solving the problem if we’d identified it sooner.

[pdub]

We've got 4 picks in the first 3 rounds.
I really hope Veach doesn't trade out of these unless a guy is a head scratching fall.
Those rookie contracts are the way to compete.

[jfish26]

We've got 4 picks in the first 3 rounds.
I really hope Veach doesn't trade out of these unless a guy is a head scratching fall.
Those rookie contracts are the way to compete.

I’d take it a step further and hope he keeps trading down if there isn’t an obvious pick. All of this is a numbers problem, and the greater the number of rookie contracts, the better.

[pdub]

I think he very much wanted to with the FAU pick ( looks to be a bust ) but
A. it was in KC and they probably didn't want to not do something day 1
B. apparently no one wanted to trade with KC there

[jfish26]

I think he very much wanted to with the FAU pick ( looks to be a bust ) but
A. it was in KC and they probably didn't want to not do something day 1
B. apparently no one wanted to trade with KC there

I’d be fascinated to know the hard truth of whether that pick would have been made but for the circumstances.

I also - and I suspect you’d agree - wish we’d just draft like the Ravens and Eagles do. When there’s a blue chip guy who doesn’t belong at a slot, they don’t fuss over fit. They just add dude after dude after dude and figure the rest will sort itself.

[pdub]

Oh yes -- some might recall I wanted Brian Branch at that pick ( instead of FAU ) -- but we already had invested in Reid ( and Bryan Cook ).
Branch has already become one of the better safeties ( and can play corner ) in the league.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]