Oh the select outrage of the Fake News
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No, we aren't supposed to blow it up. We just are supposed to call them on blatantly lying. At least if we were a country not run by blatant liars.DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:18 pm I get it. We're supposed to blow up relations with our second-most important Middle East ally AND demand the defenestration of the man who seeks to diversify his kingdom's economy and thus save his country from Syria's future, because they all behaved like Middle Eastern regimes generally do.
When did y'all become dastardly "neocons?"
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So fucking dum.
As a wise man once said: "Sometimes we need to balance our need to speak to them about human rights issues with immediate concerns we have in terms of counter-terrorism or dealing with regional stability."
As a wise man once said: "Sometimes we need to balance our need to speak to them about human rights issues with immediate concerns we have in terms of counter-terrorism or dealing with regional stability."
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It’s been six months since Jamal Khashoggi’s murder, and Trump has done nothing
Fred Ryan is publisher and chief executive of The Post. He served as assistant to President Ronald Reagan.
Six months ago today, a man on the brink of his greatest happiness walked into Saudi Arabia’s Consulate in Istanbul while his wife-to-be watched from the gate. He went there at the direction of Saudi officials to retrieve documents needed for his upcoming marriage. But it was a carefully set trap. Lying in wait were more than a dozen trained Saudi agents, who murdered him and then brutally dismembered his body.
Post contributing columnist Jamal Khashoggi did nothing to deserve this gruesome fate. He was attacked on orders of Saudi Arabia’s crown prince, Mohammed Bin Salman, simply for doing a journalist’s job: telling the truth.
Now, half a year after this heinous act shocked the world, it is worth taking stock of what has been done in response — and what has not.
...Mohammed bin Salman has jetted around the world, high-fiving Russian President Vladimir Putin, getting chummy with China, and rubbing elbows with other world leaders as part of a global tour to rehabilitate his reputation.
...Sadly, the most submissive figure in this story is President Trump. Even after irrefutable evidence came to light showing the Saudis had lied about Khashoggi’s death, Trump proclaimed Mohammed bin Salman a “great ally” and protested that the crown prince might well be innocent. Perhaps most egregiously, Trump has abdicated the responsibilities of his office, refusing to comply with the Magnitsky Act’s requirements that the administration present its findings on the Khashoggi case to Congress.
In this impotent response, Trump isn’t just violating the law. He is also undermining the credibility and moral authority of the United States.
In keeping with his transactional view of foreign policy, Trump seems all too willing to sell out America’s principles. But what has his approach added to the other side of the ledger? He claims that the value of Saudi arms deals, as well as Saudi Arabia’s assistance in meeting our strategic goals in the region, require us to mute our objections to the regime’s offenses. But those purported billions of dollars in weapons sales and advances in Middle East peace have yet to materialize.
...There is no artistry to the deal if you are willing to cave on the key terms. For decades, presidents of both parties have steadfastly avoided this easy route, taking difficult stands to show the world that the United States will never compromise its convictions.
This is why, six months later, Jamal Khashoggi’s story is not fading. Instead, each day that justice goes undone, the consequences of his murder grow more troubling. Each day that Trump allows the Saudis to avoid accountability, the more tyrants around the world come to believe that they, too, can kill with impunity. Each day, the reputational value that past generations of Americans have built up is squandered.
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Fred Ryan is publisher and chief executive of The Post. He served as assistant to President Ronald Reagan.
Six months ago today, a man on the brink of his greatest happiness walked into Saudi Arabia’s Consulate in Istanbul while his wife-to-be watched from the gate. He went there at the direction of Saudi officials to retrieve documents needed for his upcoming marriage. But it was a carefully set trap. Lying in wait were more than a dozen trained Saudi agents, who murdered him and then brutally dismembered his body.
Post contributing columnist Jamal Khashoggi did nothing to deserve this gruesome fate. He was attacked on orders of Saudi Arabia’s crown prince, Mohammed Bin Salman, simply for doing a journalist’s job: telling the truth.
Now, half a year after this heinous act shocked the world, it is worth taking stock of what has been done in response — and what has not.
...Mohammed bin Salman has jetted around the world, high-fiving Russian President Vladimir Putin, getting chummy with China, and rubbing elbows with other world leaders as part of a global tour to rehabilitate his reputation.
...Sadly, the most submissive figure in this story is President Trump. Even after irrefutable evidence came to light showing the Saudis had lied about Khashoggi’s death, Trump proclaimed Mohammed bin Salman a “great ally” and protested that the crown prince might well be innocent. Perhaps most egregiously, Trump has abdicated the responsibilities of his office, refusing to comply with the Magnitsky Act’s requirements that the administration present its findings on the Khashoggi case to Congress.
In this impotent response, Trump isn’t just violating the law. He is also undermining the credibility and moral authority of the United States.
In keeping with his transactional view of foreign policy, Trump seems all too willing to sell out America’s principles. But what has his approach added to the other side of the ledger? He claims that the value of Saudi arms deals, as well as Saudi Arabia’s assistance in meeting our strategic goals in the region, require us to mute our objections to the regime’s offenses. But those purported billions of dollars in weapons sales and advances in Middle East peace have yet to materialize.
...There is no artistry to the deal if you are willing to cave on the key terms. For decades, presidents of both parties have steadfastly avoided this easy route, taking difficult stands to show the world that the United States will never compromise its convictions.
This is why, six months later, Jamal Khashoggi’s story is not fading. Instead, each day that justice goes undone, the consequences of his murder grow more troubling. Each day that Trump allows the Saudis to avoid accountability, the more tyrants around the world come to believe that they, too, can kill with impunity. Each day, the reputational value that past generations of Americans have built up is squandered.
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Originally Imzcount (Why do politicians think “hope” is a plan ?)
“Avoid the foolish notion of hope. Hope is the surrender of authority to your fate and trusting it to the whims of the wind”.
Taylor Sheridan
“Avoid the foolish notion of hope. Hope is the surrender of authority to your fate and trusting it to the whims of the wind”.
Taylor Sheridan
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You mean about Rashida Tlaib thinking that white nationalism is more concerning than radical Islamic terrorism (re 9/11)?
Originally Imzcount (Why do politicians think “hope” is a plan ?)
“Avoid the foolish notion of hope. Hope is the surrender of authority to your fate and trusting it to the whims of the wind”.
Taylor Sheridan
“Avoid the foolish notion of hope. Hope is the surrender of authority to your fate and trusting it to the whims of the wind”.
Taylor Sheridan
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Trump says he has wiped ISIS off the map so what is there to worry about? You mean you dont believe him?
And as a person living in Nebraska surrounded by white churchgoing gun owners, white religious fundamentalist gun crime is far more concerning to me than Islamic extremism.
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Did she actually say that or are you "thinking" she is "thinking" it?
Either way, anyone who thinks it's a contest and/or wants to make one vehemently more concerning than the other - is a fool. They both suck and are a threat to people in this country.
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Neither is worse than The Invasion!
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Isis has lost territory but the ideology may never be wiped out. 1.8 billion million Muslims worldwide and unfortunately they're not all fundamental in that they believe Islam is a religion of peace.
All gun crime is abhorrent whether it be by white nationalists or by radical Islamics.
All gun crime is abhorrent whether it be by white nationalists or by radical Islamics.
Originally Imzcount (Why do politicians think “hope” is a plan ?)
“Avoid the foolish notion of hope. Hope is the surrender of authority to your fate and trusting it to the whims of the wind”.
Taylor Sheridan
“Avoid the foolish notion of hope. Hope is the surrender of authority to your fate and trusting it to the whims of the wind”.
Taylor Sheridan
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dolomite wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:39 pm Isis has lost territory but the ideology may never be wiped out. 1.8 billion million Muslims worldwide and unfortunately they're not all fundamental in that they believe Islam is a religion of peace.
All gun crime is abhorrent whether it be by white nationalists or by radical Islamics or by radical christians.
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That’s like a quadrillion Muslims!
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right?
didn’t even realize there were that many people total on the planet
they must be good at hiding
didn’t even realize there were that many people total on the planet
they must be good at hiding
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Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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I thought Rashida Tlaib condemned actions by groups in this country. You're the one who brought up 9/11, which was largely committed by Saudis who were tolerated and probably known to the Saudi government, which your Republican president did zip about, allowing Saudi officials in the U.S. to simply walk away after 9/11.
As a total supporter of Trump, it's hypocritical to speak about Tlaib, unless you also condemn Donald Trump and George W. Bush.
Don't inject Lysol.
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That rashida tlaib person is a one term and done. Michigan already has buyers remorse.