who ya got?

[Deleted User 62]

to start, personally i'd cut military spending to pay for healthcare

i'm not in favor of free college tuition for all, but i see substantial merit in offering trade school educations either for free or for a dramatically reduced cost

And that's fine and reasonable stance to take. Even if you dont agree with it, it at least is a stance with some give and take. But you seem to be pretty reasonable and grounded person in general. Not the type of typical Bernie fan (dont know If you are) that I'm talking about.

i am a Bernie fan

i think it's absurd that the wealthiest country on the planet doesn't do more to help ALL of its citizenry

only tangentially related, but it i think it says a lot that nothing has been done to "fix" the medicaid and social security issue that looms dark on the horizon. it's all about priorities, and it's obvious that officials of both parties have had priorities that are askew from my own. Bernie has, by and large, had views that are much more in line with my own than anyone other candidate, regardless of party

A true, fine line down the middle would be fine with me.

[Deleted User 89]

nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree

[Shirley]

Jesus Christ, now I know how DC must feel when dolo, Illi, imz, &/or Psych agree with him.

Not too long ago, you could work 30 - 40 hours a week making minimum wage and pay your college tuition for an entire semester, afford to own an old car, pay for the gas & insurance, and have some leftover for birth control pills which cost only $2.00/month. But, as could be expected in a capitalist system, as some people accumulated more and more $, they paid political parties and politicians to ensure that more and more accrued to those already at the top. If that wasn't the case and upward mobility was the likely result of increased effort and discipline today like it used to be, people wouldn't be asking for anything "free".

Like trad, I don't think college should be "free", and, I don't think that health care should be "free" unless your society is rich enough to provide it, which ours is. The fact that we make people deal with our current health care "system" while spending more on our military than the next 10 countries in the world combined and our effective tax rate is often higher for regular Americans than for people with more money than they know what to do with, tells you all you need to know about our nation's perverted priorities. Try changing that without involving "the government", and instead depend on CEOs and corporate boards to change their ways makes absolutely no sense at all.

[ousdahl]

Fair, and I won't argue with you about who you should or shouldn't align with, as I said I respect the fact that you seem to be grounded and think through your decisions.

Wait, do I not?

You arent the typical free shit gimme gimme Bernie fan I have been exposed to.

Wait, have I done that?

And more significantly, can you provide any real examples of Bernie bros pledging their allegiance purely based on “gimme free shit?”

(Michhawk’s yelling at clouds doesn’t count.)

[ousdahl]

Jesus Christ, now I know how DC must feel when dolo, Illi, imz, &/or Psych agree with him.

Not too long ago, you could work 30 - 40 hours a week making minimum wage and pay your college tuition for an entire semester, afford to own an old car, pay for the gas & insurance, and have some leftover for birth control pills which cost only $2.00/month. But, as could be expected in a capitalist system, as some people accumulated more and more $, they paid political parties and politicians to ensure that more and more accrued to those already at the top. If that wasn't the case and upward mobility was the likely result of increased effort and discipline today like it used to be, people wouldn't be asking for anything "free".

Like trad, I don't think college should be "free", and, I don't think that health care should be "free" unless your society is rich enough to provide it, which ours is. The fact that we make people deal with our current health care "system" while spending more on our military than the next 10 countries in the world combined and our effective tax rate is often higher for regular Americans than for people with more money than they know what to do with, tells you all you need to know about our nation's perverted priorities. Try changing that without involving "the government", and instead depend on CEOs and corporate boards to change their ways makes absolutely no sense at all.

Well said!

And regarding regulation, I don’t think anyone wants it, unless absolutely necessary.

And when it is necessary, gummint regulation seems like a little less evil, and a lot more effective, option than the fox-guarding-the-henhouse option of letting capitalists “regulate” themselves.

[TDub]

Fair, and I won't argue with you about who you should or shouldn't align with, as I said I respect the fact that you seem to be grounded and think through your decisions.

Wait, do I not?

You arent the typical free shit gimme gimme Bernie fan I have been exposed to.

Wait, have I done that?

And more significantly, can you provide any real examples of Bernie bros pledging their allegiance purely based on “gimme free shit?”

(Michhawk’s yelling at clouds doesn’t count.)

I covered some of this in a previous post

[MICHHAWK]

If like me you have spent your entire adult life providing for yourself and your family, then you can understand where I am coming from.

If they make college free will I be reimbursed?

If they excuse student loans will I be reimbursed?

[ousdahl]

So you’re asking what do I give?

For one thing, I pay a higher effective tax rate than many billionaires. I provide entirely for myself, and don’t expect s handout from anyone. I don’t want and haven’t started my own family because, among other reasons, I’m not sure I’m in a position to afford it.

I am also on the board of directors of my local Trout Unlimited chapter, and put in hundreds of hours a year volunteering for everything from youth education to habitat restoration to river cleanup to local, state, and national advocacy for our environment.

We are currently recruiting volunteers for an upcoming willow planting project, and also hosting a film festival for the benefit of the local middle school fly fishing club. I would ask if you’d like to come volunteer too, but don’t wanna come across as if I expect anyone to “gimme free shit.”

And you mention me complaining about my manager taking out tippable services instead of me. HE was the one on salary and expected to managing the department. I am the one working for what the gummint calls a “tippable wage rate.”

So is it socialist for me to think it’s inappropriate? Or are we supposed to celebrate the manager undercutting me for being a savvy capitalist? (btw as soon as the GM got wind of this he told my manager to cut it out).

[ousdahl]

Do you think “socialist” regulations are a bad thing for, say, the environment? Or the banks? Or employers - again, you wanna argue that weekends are a bad thing?

[DCHawk1]

Or maybe Bernie is appealing to many cuz he wants Merica to enact policies similar to those of other countries who are comparatively kicking our ass?

lulz

Bernie -- and you -- would shit himself if we enacted policies similar to Denmark's.

[DCHawk1]

less government" has gotten us into the current issue with the measles outbreak/s

Holy hell.

[DCHawk1]

Do you think “socialist” regulations are a bad thing for, say, the environment? Or the banks? Or employers - again, you wanna argue that weekends are a bad thing?

Nah. Weekends are great.

Which employers mandate 7-day work weeks again?

[ousdahl]

Do you think “socialist” regulations are a bad thing for, say, the environment? Or the banks? Or employers - again, you wanna argue that weekends are a bad thing?

Nah. Weekends are great.

Which employers mandate 7-day work weeks again?

Well, none any more.

because SoCiALiSm!!!

[DCHawk1]

I'll put you down in the "it's done it's job, and we can move on category" then.

[MICHHAWK]

Free health care for all. Free public university for all. Excused college loans for all. Repeal and replace. Big beautiful wall. All this falls into the same category.

Same song and dance. Different year.

[Deleted User 89]

If like me you have spent your entire adult life providing for yourself and your family, then you can understand where I am coming from.

If they make college free will I be reimbursed?

If they excuse student loans will I be reimbursed?

when the tax code changes, do get money back or have to pay for previous years?

quit being dumb

[Deleted User 89]

less government" has gotten us into the current issue with the measles outbreak/s

Holy hell.

maybe i shoulda said religious freedom?

[PhDhawk]

If like me you have spent your entire adult life providing for yourself and your family, then you can understand where I am coming from.

If they make college free will I be reimbursed?

If they excuse student loans will I be reimbursed?

when the tax code changes, do get money back or have to pay for previous years?

quit being dumb

dumb is all he's got.

[DCHawk1]

less government" has gotten us into the current issue with the measles outbreak/s

Holy hell.

maybe i shoulda said religious freedom?

I just wanna make sure I understand. You're saying you're in favor of forced immunization?

[Deleted User 89]

less government" has gotten us into the current issue with the measles outbreak/s

Holy hell.

maybe i shoulda said religious freedom?

I just wanna make sure I understand. You're saying you're in favor of forced immunization?

in my mind, there should be repercussions if you willingly put the well-being of the general public at risk

not all that different from drunk driving

if you choose not to immunize your child, then i see nothing wrong with that child being barred from public school, for example