Recruiting 2019

[hartjack8]

Yep
People are saying Hampton's decision puts pressure on the NCAA to change. I think it does the opposite. They dont need Hampton and they are less pressured to be forced to pay players of a lesser caliber. The tourney will always have the same size viewing audience. A few teams may have a few more woshy washy fans stop tuning in but that isnt enough to make the NCAA fork over tons of cash to athletes.

The tourney will always have the same size viewing audience, just like the Titanic is unsinkable.

It is not like the NCAA is giving up any money, not a dime out of their pocket. The NCAA could allow the players to get paid and it would have zero impact on the NCAA. Let's look at the financials.

The NCAA makes around a billion dollars a year which is 99.9% driven by the NCAA march madness basketball tourney.

The shoe companies make a ton. Just a quick glance Nike did like 4 billion in 2017 basketball shoes.
You do know that Nike has paid Lebron more than the NBA right??

Let's just pick someone say like Zion. Is there anyway possible that Nike could not pay Zion???
Fuck NO. That kid is getting paid.

[ousdahl]

The NCAA isn't going to "fork over tons of money to athletes". It's the schools, boosters, shoe companies, etc.
NCAA has nothing to lose other than the "integrity" of college athletics.
Most people would agree the one and done rule blows. Overall, it blows for NCAA basketball, blows for NBA basketball, blows for the athletes, blows for the fans.
That being said, it's going to blow for the NCAA if a kid can go straight to the NBA out of HS.
People are going to honestly tell me that they feel the NCAA product would have been just as marketable last season if Zion and the rest of the top 10-15 recruits went straight to the NBA? I'm not buying it.

The integrity of college athletics already went to shit a long time ago.

the one and done rule could/would/should be a good thing for college hoops. It's the amateurism rules that blow.

yea, the best talent is also the most marketable talent. It's the NCAA's own "Titanic will never sink" mentality that makes them think they'll still be marketable without the talent.

[pdub]

Quality of play is not going to diminish nearly as much as you think.
In fact, it may improve in some areas, as teams have more upperclassmen and play together as a unit more often.

[pdub]

The integrity of college athletics may have gone to shit a long time ago.
But, kinda like the environment is already fucked, do we just say, well fuck it, burn it up.
Or maybe try and reverse what's happened, even if it'll take a lot of work/even if it's too late.

[ousdahl]

Yep
People are saying Hampton's decision puts pressure on the NCAA to change. I think it does the opposite. They dont need Hampton and they are less pressured to be forced to pay players of a lesser caliber. The tourney will always have the same size viewing audience. A few teams may have a few more woshy washy fans stop tuning in but that isnt enough to make the NCAA fork over tons of cash to athletes.

The tourney will always have the same size viewing audience, just like the Titanic is unsinkable.

It is not like the NCAA is giving up any money, not a dime out of their pocket. The NCAA could allow the players to get paid and it would have zero impact on the NCAA. Let's look at the financials.

The NCAA makes around a billion dollars a year which is 99.9% driven by the NCAA march madness basketball tourney.

The shoe companies make a ton. Just a quick glance Nike did like 4 billion in 2017 basketball shoes.
You do know that Nike has paid Lebron more than the NBA right??

Let's just pick someone say like Zion. Is there anyway possible that Nike could not pay Zion???
Fuck NO. That kid is getting paid.

yeah there's totally a way that Nike could not pay Zion. They could play by The Rules.

and good point bringing up the basketball tournament revenue. Does the NCAA really think the tournament would still be so profitable without any Zion-types in it?

[ousdahl]

Quality of play is not going to diminish nearly as much as you think.
In fact, it may improve in some areas, as teams have more upperclassmen and play together as a unit more often.

no doubt there's plenty of quality of play in D2 ball too.

[pdub]

Good one.

[twocoach]

Honestly, I haven't seen that the OAD players make the overall quality of the college game better but that argument has been had here for years.

[ousdahl]

The integrity of college athletics may have gone to shit a long time ago.
But, kinda like the environment is already fucked, do we just say, well fuck it, burn it up.
Or maybe try and reverse what's happened, even if it'll take a lot of work/even if it's too late.

if we use the environment analogy, the toxic practices that fuck over the greater good for the benefit of a few greedy assholes are The Rules.

I'm all for trying to reverse what's happened from The Rules, even if it'll take a lot of work/even if it's too late.

[pdub]

There are 4,500 D1 players in the NCAA.
Loosing 50-100 of them a year won't change much.

[ousdahl]

just like the Titanic won't sink much.

[Deleted User 89]

Don't care about Zion.

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[Deleted User 266]

Don't care about Zion.

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Hard for me to believe you guys don't care about Zion when you are discussing and commenting about him.
You might not like him, you might think he's over-rated/over-hyped, but it seems you still care about him.
Like it or not, Zion was the #1 product the NCAA and the college basketball media had in college basketball last season. If he went straight to the NBA instead of Duke - It would have had a negative impact on a lot of entities.
Of course college basketball is still a very strong product and would have survived just fine without Zion but it's almost impossible to say the college basketball world didn't benefit from him. A lot.

[Cascadia]

So much Illy in this thread.

[pdub]

The thought that just because you mention something ( which takes 3 seconds ) you don't care about shouldn't mean, 'you're talking about it which means you care about it'.

So either you don't address that part of the conversation/debate or you 'admit' ( falsely ) that you don't care about it but now because you did, you care about it.

It's different of course if there's say a thread with the title of the subject and then you go into that thread/debate debating how you don't care. But if a subject comes up continually in a conversation that you don't think applies/that you don't care about, then what I'm talking about is true.

[Deleted User 89]

Don't care about Zion.

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Hard for me to believe you guys don't care about Zion when you are discussing and commenting about him.
You might not like him, you might think he's over-rated/over-hyped, but it seems you still care about him.
Like it or not, Zion was the #1 product the NCAA and the college basketball media had in college basketball last season. If he went straight to the NBA instead of Duke - It would have had a negative impact on a lot of entities.
Of course college basketball is still a very strong product and would have survived just fine without Zion but it's almost impossible to say the college basketball world didn't benefit from him. A lot.

i guess i should have just said that i wouldn't have cared if he'd been able to go straight to the league

but then again, i think i might've actually preferred that to all the fellating the media did over him (but i'll admit bias in that aspect)

who would it have had a negative impact on, other than duke's coverage (maybe)?

zion was the easy story

[TDub]

Can we have a new thread to rehash all of this same information? I keep opening this thread expecting either good or bad news about our recruiting next year. I'm dissapointed everytime. Fool me twice I guess huh

[Deleted User 266]

pdub - I hear and am not trying to argue with you. Your point/s are valid. Sometimes it's difficult not to avoid something you don't care about. You very well may not give a single fudge about Zion. Problem is he was such a big part of college basketball last season - as far as college basketball fans, I find it almost impossible to believe people didn't "care" about him.

Trad - I can honestly say I don't know if I feel Zion going straight from college to the NBA would have been a good or a bad thing. I suppose a lot depends if I am looking at it as a college fan or an NBA fan. To answer your question. When I give it some thought maybe I am overestimating things being that it's hard to miss something you never had.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Most people would agree the one and done rule blows. Overall, it blows for NCAA basketball, blows for NBA basketball, blows for the athletes, blows for the fans.

This isn't right. It's good for NBA because they get a year of free evaluation and can dodge a Quentin Grimes bullet. It has been great for CBB because they get star power they wouldn't otherwise get in guys like the aforementioned Zion, Durant, Trae, Wiggins, Embiid, Beasley, Simmons, etc. etc.

It does suck for the players, but fuck them, amirite?

[CrimsonNBlue]

College sports are tied to rabid, alumni fan bases not 'one and done' players.

I'm concerned that rabid alumni fan bases got to be rabid in the first place cuz their teams featured some of the most talented and competitive young players around.

I'm not sure college ball can really afford to diminish the quality of game and competition.

I mean how many DII schools and community colleges have rabid hoops fan bases?

In a sense, I like college hoops the way it is, and I'm for preserving a certain status quo - with the status quo being college hoops as the second best league in the land. Part of that status quo, and part of being the second best league in the land, is - eeeek! - players getting compensated. To pretend otherwise is a failure to recognize the reality of college hoops.

so I guess the part of the status quo I might want to change is the whole head-in-the-sand approach to the idea of college hoops amateurism. The practice of compensation is, and has been, fairly ubiquitous in college hoops. I struggle to see how accepting it and legitimizing that does anything to diminish the quality of game play.

You know, that same quality of game play that made all those alumni fan bases rabid in the first place.

This is all pretty spot on. The "feel-good" crowd created the straw man of "college hoops dies without the top tier." No one is saying that.