Meanwhile, back at the "Lynching" thread:
Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
Obviously Kevin wasn't listening when Lindsey said: "Impeachment is not about punishment. It’s about cleansing the office, about restoring honor and integrity to the office."
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
I give up, what did Pompeo do?
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
Whoda thunk I'd ever "retweet" Rick Tyler?
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
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Deleted User 286
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
As much as you retweet nothing would surprise me.
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Deleted User 266
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People should check out Michael Steele's Tweet. I posted it on here but it may be too offensive so I removed it.Geezer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:33 am <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So some day, if a Democrat becomes President and the Republicans win the House, even by a tiny margin, they can impeach the President, without due process or fairness or any legal rights. All Republicans must remember what they are witnessing here - a lynching. But we will WIN!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href=" 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
ach new revelation in the money-for-dirt scandal involving the White House and Ukraine appears to add another nail in the impeachment coffin. So far, however, the list of impeachable offenses has focused on whether President Donald Trump’s actions amounted to an illegal solicitation of foreign election interference, or more simply, a broader abuse of his power to secure a personal benefit.
While both of these are important (and impeachable), it’s critical that we not overlook the bigger purpose behind the president’s actions: The White House was attempting to employ an illegal, covert propaganda operation against the American public.
This is explicitly against the law. The 1991 Intelligence Authorization Act prohibits the U.S. government from using covert actions — which include propaganda — to “influence United States political processes, public opinion, policies, or media.”
As a former FBI counterintelligence agent, I know about propaganda operations because I investigated them. Most of my cases involved foreign “perception management” campaigns — covert activities designed to influence the attitudes and opinions of the American public toward particular issues that would benefit the intelligence service’s host country.
While both of these are important (and impeachable), it’s critical that we not overlook the bigger purpose behind the president’s actions: The White House was attempting to employ an illegal, covert propaganda operation against the American public.
This is explicitly against the law. The 1991 Intelligence Authorization Act prohibits the U.S. government from using covert actions — which include propaganda — to “influence United States political processes, public opinion, policies, or media.”
As a former FBI counterintelligence agent, I know about propaganda operations because I investigated them. Most of my cases involved foreign “perception management” campaigns — covert activities designed to influence the attitudes and opinions of the American public toward particular issues that would benefit the intelligence service’s host country.
Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
Lindsey doin' work:
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
This guy used to run the Justice Department back when it had some credibility, i.e., before William Barr took over:
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
I don't think anyone could have guessed, it's "the Globalists!".
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
Poor, poor, poorly informed/biased/sycophantic Lindsey. Depends on your definition of "...if someone doesn't know...", I guess... Maybe Lindsey should stick to arguing process not facts, like nearly every other "conservative" republican you can name. But to answer your question, IMO, the rebuttal is bolded between the ***** below:
The 5 Bombshells From Bill Taylor's Testimony on Trump and Ukraine
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“Everything’ was dependent on such an announcement”
Taylor said that Sondland told him on Sept. 8 that “everything” in U.S.-Ukrainian relations depended on Zelensky making “a public announcement of investigations,” and that Trump wanted to put Zelensky “in a public box” by making such a statement...
Sondland “told me that he now recognized that he had made a mistake” by tying the investigations merely to a White House visit, Taylor said. Sondland said “that Trump had told him that he wants President Zelenskyy to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. election.”
Those statements, if true, give crucial context as to why Trump was withholding badly needed military aid from Ukraine before his July 25 call with Zelensky: that he wanted investigations into both Vice President Joe Biden (his son Hunter served on Burisma’s board) and into an unfounded conspiracy theory that would somehow disprove the fact that Russia hacked Democrats in 2016.
...Taylor said that on Sept. 1 another U.S. official, National Security Council member Tim Morrison, relayed that Sondland told a top Ukrainian official that “security assistance money would not come until President Zelenskyy committed to pursue the Burisma investigation,” which Taylor said “alarmed him” and was the first time he’d heard that security assistance for Ukraine and not just a White House meeting “was conditioned on the investigations” that Trump was demanding of his political rivals...
...Taylor said Morrison relayed a conversation Sondland had with Trump where the president denied a “quid pro quo” — but “did insist that President Zelenskyy go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelenskyy should want to do this himself.” Taylor quotes Sondland saying directly that Trump said Zelensky should “clear things up and do it in public.”
...Taylor said Sondland recommended specific language for Zelensky to use when speaking to Trump about the investigations.
“Ambassador Sondland told me that he had recommended to President Zelensky that he use the phrase, ‘I will leave no stone unturned’ with regard to ‘investigations’ when President Zelensky spoke with President Trump,” Taylor said.
The language paints Sondland as a more-willing accomplice in the scheme to elicit investigations from Ukraine than Sondland’s own testimony from last week appeared to indicate.
**************************Taylor said he then followed up with a phone call to one of Zelensky’s aides, who said Zelensky didn’t want to be used as a “pawn” in a U.S. re-election campaign. Taylor said he conveyed that concern to Volker and Sondland.*********************
...Taylor said that he wasn’t given a read-out of the call in which Trump asked Zelensky to “look into” Biden and didn’t see them until they were released publicly — but by then, he already had a pretty clear idea of what Trump wanted.
“I had come to understand well before then that ‘investigations’ was a term that Ambassadors Volker and Sondland used to mean matters related to the 2016 election, and to investigations of Burisma and the Bidens,” Taylor said.
The fact that Taylor had such a strong and substantiated view that those two expressly political reasons were why Trump held up foreign aid lines up with what Trump himself seemed to be getting at in the call with Zelensky. Republicans have argued that Trump was just trying to root out corruption in the country. But it’s hard to square that claim with Taylor’s independent testimony, based on conversations he had outside of that call.
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
Huh. So then I wonder what the source of "they didn't know funds were being withheld" is.
I can Google that one on my own
I can Google that one on my own
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
I hate to break it to you, but just like innumerable times in the recent past, relying on what "conservative" republicans and Trump say, is problematic:
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
So what lie to they trot out now that this one has been proven to be a lie? Or are they to the "it's no big deal" phase yet?
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
Ukrainian leader felt Trump pressure before taking office
More than two months before the phone call that launched the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump, Ukraine’s newly elected leader was already worried about pressure from the U.S. president to investigate his Democratic rival Joe Biden.
Volodymyr Zelenskiy gathered a small group of advisers on May 7 in Kyiv for a meeting that was supposed to be about his nation’s energy needs. Instead, the group spent most of the three-hour discussion talking about how to navigate the insistence from Trump and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, for a probe and how to avoid becoming entangled in the American elections, according to three people familiar with the details of the meeting.
They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the diplomatic sensitivity of the issue, which has roiled U.S.-Ukrainian relations.
The meeting came before Zelenskiy was inaugurated but about two weeks after Trump called to offer his congratulations on the night of the Ukrainian leader’s April 21 election.
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"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
Re: Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
This could be interesting:
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit