who ya got?

[twocoach]

Most jobs, career type jobs, require a pre employment drug test. If a company wont trust you enough to hire you why should the government trust you with our tax payer dollars?

I cant believe there is this much support for supplying drug users with welfare money.

Should they drug test everyone who buys a gun?

Totally irrelevant since the discussion is about state provided income.

As the stats show, welfare recipients have a lower drug usage rate than the general public. I dont see the need for the additional expense of drug testing. Spending money to save money is not good policy.

[seahawk]

Because i am all for my tax dosrs going to someone truly in need. I do not want my tax dollars going to support a habit. And yes i know not all welfsre recipients are drug users, i never said that they were. Some are, i know of some that are. I dont think that staying clean is too stringent of a requirement for recieving state provided income.

So to punish women and make you feel better than them, you want to spend bunches of tax dollars? Because it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to do drug testing. That money would be far better spent on reasonable treatment. Or renting space for those 12 step meetings.

The national drug use rate is 9.4 percent. In these states , however, the rate of positive drug tests to total welfare applicants ranges from 0.002 percent to 8.3 percent, but all except one have a rate below 1 percent.

https://thinkprogress.org/what-7-states ... 6e0b4305d/

How do you manage to make everything about race and gender?

I didn't say anything about race--but more than 80% of TANF recipients, the group that gets tested, are female.

[TDub]

Because i dont want tax dollars going to support drug users habits i am somehow punishing women?

[TDub]

So if the women are not using then how are they getting punished?

[TDub]

Should they drug test everyone who buys a gun?

Totally irrelevant since the discussion is about state provided income.

As the stats show, welfare recipients have a lower drug usage rate than the general public. I dont see the need for the additional expense of drug testing. Spending money to save money is not good policy.

Thats fine you can make that argument. It still has nothing to do with guns.

[seahawk]

Because i dont want tax dollars going to support drug users habits i am somehow punishing women?

Did you suggest that all Federal Employees be routinely drug tested? Federal contractors? Grant recipients? Local government employees that receive federal money? School district employees that receive federal money? Everyone who works on Capitol Hill?

A whole lot of tax dollars that you don't care about going to druggies.

No, it was about some stereotype that you want to reinforce about some group of women, as usual.

[TDub]

It has nothing to do with women. I know a lot of men on welfare as well.

If you read the thread i also stated that most federal employees have to pass a pre employment drug test.

Your desire to turn every man that doesnt agree with you into a misogynist is alarming.

[Deleted User 62]

As always, my first question is who will be financing this grand gesture of largesse.

We could use some of the money that we pay farmers not to farm.

We could stop occupying every country that doesn't do what we told them to do.

I would imagine that 3-400 golfs trips removed could pay for a lot.

We could use some of the money that we pay farmers not to farm.

Maybe. But then your food prices would skyrocket as family farms shut down and availability drops off.

We could stop occupying every country that doesn't do what we told them to do.
No argument there. Would love to see this.

I would imagine that 3-400 golfs trips removed could pay for a lot.
I agree that the trips are excessive and wasteful. Wouldn't make a dent in the overall expense, but I agree with the point.

Good thing Trumps trade war victories has cut a big slice out of those farm subsidies.....right

[HouseDivided]

We could use some of the money that we pay farmers not to farm.

We could stop occupying every country that doesn't do what we told them to do.

I would imagine that 3-400 golfs trips removed could pay for a lot.

We could use some of the money that we pay farmers not to farm.

Maybe. But then your food prices would skyrocket as family farms shut down and availability drops off.

We could stop occupying every country that doesn't do what we told them to do.
No argument there. Would love to see this.

I would imagine that 3-400 golfs trips removed could pay for a lot.
I agree that the trips are excessive and wasteful. Wouldn't make a dent in the overall expense, but I agree with the point.

Good thing Trumps trade war victories has cut a big slice out of those farm subsidies.....right

True. It has not worked out as intended or billed.

[twocoach]

Totally irrelevant since the discussion is about state provided income.

As the stats show, welfare recipients have a lower drug usage rate than the general public. I dont see the need for the additional expense of drug testing. Spending money to save money is not good policy.

Thats fine you can make that argument. It still has nothing to do with guns.

If it's somehow important that receivers of federal aid money be drug free, wouldnt it also be important that gun operators also be drug free? That's the point I was making. Both are silly, by the way.

[TDub]

I would prefer gun operators be drug free. But i cannot enforce that. You can enforce the requirements to receive federal aid. You just brought guns into because thats your thing.

[DCHawk1]

Did you sleep with Maria Butina, too?

[twocoach]

I would prefer gun operators be drug free. But i cannot enforce that. You can enforce the requirements to receive federal aid. You just brought guns into because thats your thing.

I brought it into it because it's your thing and I wanted to reference something that you support versus something you dont. It seems no more necessary to drug test welfare recipients than gun owners other than to make folks that dont like welfare a little less mad about having any of their money given to someone else.

[TDub]

I dont see a need to support drug abusers lifestyles. That is the only issue.

As i said, im not even anti drug necessarily. Im anti drug abuse while also dependent on the government for monetary support.

Do as many drugs as you want as long as it doesnt negatively impact others. Taking welfare money while abusing is impacting others and straining an already thin system.

[DCHawk1]

There's no constitutional right to welfare.

Change the constitution, if you want.

[zsn]

It has nothing to do with women. I know a lot of men on welfare as well.

If you read the thread i also stated that most federal employees have to pass a pre employment drug test.

Your desire to turn every man that doesnt agree with you into a misogynist is alarming.

The difference is that not ALL employees and contractors have to undergo a drug test WHILE they are receiving money - something that I am assuming you advocate for welfare recipients. Make the rules the same and then I will not question the motives

[Deleted User 295]

So to punish women and make you feel better than them, you want to spend bunches of tax dollars? Because it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to do drug testing. That money would be far better spent on reasonable treatment. Or renting space for those 12 step meetings.

The national drug use rate is 9.4 percent. In these states , however, the rate of positive drug tests to total welfare applicants ranges from 0.002 percent to 8.3 percent, but all except one have a rate below 1 percent.

https://thinkprogress.org/what-7-states ... 6e0b4305d/

How do you manage to make everything about race and gender?

I didn't say anything about race--but more than 80% of TANF recipients, the group that gets tested, are female.

I would be curious to see what % of all TANF recipients are female? My guess would be 66%...I will try to look it up...



Some facts on government assistance that I found interesting during my search:

"In 2016 the poverty threshold for a couple with two children was a shared income of $24,339 a year."- Wow. That's incredibly low, especially considering COL in more heavily populated areas.

"One in three African American, Hispanic and Native-American children live below the poverty line.One in 10 white children lives below the poverty line."- Speaks for itself about historical inequalities in education system/etc.

"In 2016, 10.6 percent of all federal welfare payments made were improperly filed or fraudulent. A total of $77.8 billion in payments were found improperly filed or fraudulent in 2016."- the fraud numbers are staggering.

"51 percent of immigrant-led households in the United States are enrolled in one or more government welfare program. [Source: Center for Immigration Studies]".. - that isn't a bad thing, but I found it interesting.

"More women (22 percent) participated in a food assistance program than men (12 percent) at some point in their lives. On average 50 percent of female lead households participated in a form of government assistance programs"- single mothers ftw. Lots of respect for single parent households, especially with multiple children.

"Of TANF recipients in 2016, 27.9 percent of were white, 19.1 percent were African American, 36.9 percent were Hispanic.".. -

[Deleted User 295]

Most jobs, career type jobs, require a pre employment drug test. If a company wont trust you enough to hire you why should the government trust you with our tax payer dollars?

I cant believe there is this much support for supplying drug users with welfare money.

Should they drug test everyone who buys a gun?

Wouldn't bother me. If someone smokes methamphetamines I'm fine with them not being allowed to legally purchase a firearm.

[TDub]

It has nothing to do with women. I know a lot of men on welfare as well.

If you read the thread i also stated that most federal employees have to pass a pre employment drug test.

Your desire to turn every man that doesnt agree with you into a misogynist is alarming.

The difference is that not ALL employees and contractors have to undergo a drug test WHILE they are receiving money - something that I am assuming you advocate for welfare recipients. Make the rules the same and then I will not question the motives

So test them if you want. I dont think its necessary because the difference, of course, is that if the state employee is caught involved with drugs and or drug abuse they are most likely going to lose their job and thus the state funds.

[Mjl]

Biden-Sinema.

Book it.

Seems like the same mistake that Democrats regularly make.

If you're saying the ticket should be reversed, I agree.

Uninspiring former Senator along with Veep that is intended to appeal to moderates. It's Clinton/Kaine. It's Kerry/Edwards. Just like those, it's a losing ticket, won't generate turn-out.