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lulz

From your link:


2. USA: Change from CO2 emissions in 1992: 1.8%

1. China: Change from CO2 emissions in 1992: 270.3%


So...I'll assume you were trying to prove my point -- as opposed to proving that you're a doddering old fool?
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We're Number 2!
We're Number 2!
We're Number 2!
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USA CO2 emissions from fossil fuel per person (2017): 16.2 metric tons
China CO2 emissions from fossil fuel per person (2017): 7.1 metric tons
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3. India: Change from CO2 emissions in 1992: 253.0%

7. Iran: Change from CO2 emissions in 1992: 196.2%

8. Saudi Arabia: Change from CO2 emissions in 1992: 122.8%

9. South Korea: Change from CO2 emissions in 1992: 118.3%

10. Canada: Change from CO2 emissions in 1992: 22.2%


There's a pattern here. But I'm pretty sure you're not smart enough to figure it out.


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So the US has been pouring the same amount of CO2 emissions for over 25 years and no other nation can catch us on a per capita basis.
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" And while U.S. emissions have declined since, China's emissions have steadily increased."
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Geezer wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:53 pm So the US has been pouring the same amount of CO2 emissions for over 25 years and no other nation can catch us on a per capita basis.
You are correct, Boomer. My generation and those after it have done our best, but we still can't clean up your mess.
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DCHawk1 wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:05 pm
Geezer wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:53 pm So the US has been pouring the same amount of CO2 emissions for over 25 years and no other nation can catch us on a per capita basis.
You are correct, Boomer. My generation and those after it have done our best, but we still can't clean up your mess.
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OK, Boomer
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DCHawk1 wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:41 pmOK, Boomer
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It's weird, though.

I posted a story that contained INARGUABLE good news: the United States leads the world in carbon reductions since 2002 and continued to cut emissions in 2019, despite anti-Trumpian expectations.

Geezer's response was to waste his time looking for a different story, with a different time frame, just so he could A.) piss on the United States and/or B.) piss on me.

And you think MY reaction was pavlovian.



I mean...you understand that you're broken, right?
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The best thing on KCrim tonight is watching DC persist in pointing out how much progress the United States has managed to make reducing CO2 emissions over the decades. Yes, we have, and we should be proud. Proud that, despite overwhelming republican opposition for decades, republicans fighting nearly every attempt to clean our air, every step of the way, we have persisted and succeeded. One can only imagine what we might have accomplished otherwise.

Who can forget Reagan Interior Secretary James Watt's and EPA Administrator Anne Gorsuch Burford's assault on the environment? The only thing holding them back was a congress controlled by democrats.

And then, there's our current republican administration and senate. smfh

95 Environmental Rules Being Rolled Back Under Trump

(Don't worry, I'll only include the ways republicans are directly adding to our nation's air pollution, and skip what republicans are choosing to do to degrade our water, make us more susceptible to toxic substances, etc.)

...All told, the Trump administration’s environmental rollbacks could significantly increase greenhouse gas emissions and lead to thousands of extra deaths from poor air quality every year, according to a report prepared by New York University Law School's State Energy and Environmental Impact Center...

Air pollution and emissions

1. Canceled a requirement for oil and gas companies to report methane emissions.

2. Revised and partially repealed an Obama-era rule limiting methane emissions on public lands, including intentional venting and flaring from drilling operations.

3. Replaced the Obama-era Clean Power Plan, which would have set strict limits on carbon emissions from coal- and gas-fired power plants, with a new version that would let states set their own rules.

4. Revoked California’s power to set its own more stringent emissions standards for cars and light trucks.

5. Repealed a requirement that state and regional authorities track tailpipe emissions from vehicles traveling on federal highways.

6. Loosened a Clinton-era rule designed to limit toxic emissions from major industrial polluters.

7. Revised a permiting program designed to safeguard communities from increases in pollution from new power plants to make it easier for facilities to avoid emissions regulations.

8. Amended rules that govern how refineries monitor pollution in surrounding communities.

9. Stopped enforcing a 2015 rule that prohibited the use of hydrofluorocarbons, powerful greenhouse gases, in air-conditioners and refrigerators.

10. Weakened an Obama-era rule meant to reduce air pollution in national parks and wilderness areas.

11. Weakened oversight of some state plans for reducing air pollution in national parks.

12. Directed agencies to stop using an Obama-era calculation of the “social cost of carbon” that rulemakers used to estimate the long-term economic benefits of reducing carbon dioxide emissions.

13. Withdrew guidance that federal agencies include greenhouse gas emissions in environmental reviews. But several district courts have ruled that emissions must be included in such reviews.

14. Lifted a summertime ban on the use of E15, a gasoline blend made of 15 percent ethanol. (Burning gasoline with a higher concentration of ethanol in hot conditions increases smog.)

15. Changed rules to allow states and the E.P.A. to take longer to develop and approve plans aimed at cutting methane emissions from existing landfills.

16. Revoked an Obama executive order that set a goal of cutting the federal government’s greenhouse gas emissions by 40 percent over 10 years.

IN PROCESS
17. Proposed relaxing Obama-era requirements that companies monitor and repair methane leaks at oil and gas facilities.

18. Proposed weakening Obama-era fuel-economy standards for cars and light trucks.

19. Submitted notice of intent to withdraw the United States from the Paris climate agreement. The process of withdrawing cannot be completed until November 2020.

20. Proposed eliminating Obama-era restrictions that in effect required newly built coal power plants to capture carbon dioxide emissions.

21. Proposed a legal justification for weakening an Obama-era rule that limited mercury emissions from coal power plants.

22. Proposed revisions to standards for carbon dioxide emissions from new, modified and reconstructed power plants.

23. Began a review of emissions rules for power plant start-ups, shutdowns and malfunctions. In April, the E.P.A. proposed reversing a requirement that Texas follow the emissions rule, with implications for 35 other states.

24. Proposed the repeal of rules meant to reduce leaking and venting of hydrofluorocarbons from large refrigeration and air conditioning systems.

25. Opened for comment a proposal limiting the ability of individuals and communities to challenge E.P.A.-issued pollution permits before a panel of agency judges.

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Seems like what's broken is a commitment to reducing environmental pollution.
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3 years in and emissions still going down.



No wonder you're having a sad :(
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Still per capita double china.
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DCHawk1 wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:17 pm 3 years in and emissions still going down.
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One of the many tells when Feral's running out of "points" to make, is when s/he brings on the random non-sequiturs.

It's gotta be weird to be so deeply and intensely invested in someone's failure that even evidence in support of your position and your expressed outcome causes you to devolve into fits of incoherent apoplexy.
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DC is loosing badly here.
Like as bad a beating as I expect ISU to get today.
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