who ya got?
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Deleted User 89
Re: who ya got?
bernie is the only one who legitimately seems interested in tackling environmental/climate issues
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Every 4 years around this time we get bombarded with “I’m gonna give you for free everything your parents had to work for. I promise. Just vote for me.”
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Re: who ya got?
“The Electoral College is DEI for rural white folks.”
Derek Cressman
Derek Cressman
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Deleted User 181
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Still looking like Trump vs Sanders. Just not enough enthusiasm for the other people in the race. Will be interesting to see who Sanders gets as his VP pick.
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Okay, this is what I got from listening to James Carville when Mika asked him the same question this morning. He said that maybe Warren fears a primary in 2024. We know that when Bernie met with Liz Warren in 2018, he said that a woman wouldn't get elected, which was why he'd run as the doddering elderly guy that he is, because a woman had no chance. I'd guess that he also threatened to primary Warren and that he has followed that threat up again.Feral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:17 amExactly. Why is Warren attacking a guy with no delegates, Bloomberg, instead of Bernie? It might be the the nice thing to do, but it's not what you do if you want to win.seahawk wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:01 am When Warren is talking, you can "hear the jury shuffling their feet." The Filibuster, for real?
A health crisis that has potential tsunami-like proportions, the president has fired everyone who could deal with it and spent the health crisis money on his Wall and you're talking about something no one who lives outside the Beltway even understands. If she had advisers that weren't some Harvard/Yale elites, but had LSU or Arizona State or Colorado shirts and ball caps, they might advise her about what to say.
James Carville said she seems like someone who'd rather beat Bloomberg than actually win herself--and I think he nailed it.
And speaking of Bernie, why is he still trying to justify talking favorably about Castro decades ago, if he hopes to have any chance of winning Florida in the general?
And speaking of wanting to win as opposed to wanting to make a point:
WTF? Yeah, many, many of us want to get the $$$$ out of politics, it's definitely a goal, but until that's a reality, shutting off a source like this entirely is not only dum, it's political malpractice. It's surrendering a whole lot of media exposure and people on the ground to knock on doors, man the phone banks to get the vote out, and make sure people can make it to the polls on election day. Or, put another way, the ability to do what it takes to help you win.
Sander's strategy is/was to motivate huge numbers of "new", mostly young voters to go the polls for the first time because they are inspired by his message. OK, it's a plan. The only problem is, they have a name for people who rely on young voters, they're called "losers". And so far, although we have a small sample size - one primary and two caucuses, that plan doesn't seem to be off to a great start. Winning the electoral college is going to be hard if you've kissed off Florida, and people in western Pennsylvania won't vote for you because you want to ban all fracking. Is there a likely road to victory for democrats that doesn't include Florida and Pennsylvania?
He really is a misogynist--hasn't changed since he wrote those gang rape essays.
Don't inject Lysol.
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Just Ledoux it
Re: who ya got?
“The Electoral College is DEI for rural white folks.”
Derek Cressman
Derek Cressman
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Deleted User 295
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I just don't understand how someone can watch/listen to Biden speak and then watch/listen to Amy speak and come to the conclusion that Biden is a better presidential candidate....not that I need to understand. Many don't understand how we got trump. Just thoughts from an idiot non ku grad.
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Youre not wrong. Amy and pete are both superior candidates. Bloomberg and Biden will steal enough votes to fracture the moderates and give bernie the nomination.
Just Ledoux it
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Deleted User 295
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I was "higher" on Pete a week or so ago. He's still probably ranked 2nd or 3rd on my list, but Amy is my fave at the moment. Mix of experience and not "the same old stuff" like Biden.
I'd probably go:
1. Amy
2. Biden (by a very slim margin due to foreign policy/relations experience and just experience in general)
3. Pete
4. I guess Bloomberg (but I'm not a fan)
5 and worse. No thanks to BS or EW.
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Deleted User 289
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Because they can speak in complete sentences. They appear to know what the questions are in the debates instead of rambling incoherently and looking confused while misspeaking often. Plus, bonus, theyre young enough they might actually live through the 4 years.
Just Ledoux it
Re: who ya got?
Biden sounds like he's talked to Kamala Harris about the VP slot if he gets the nomination. Wonder if he's going to announce that sometime soon. I think Biden-Harris is a combination that I've heard lots of Democrats saying they would support.
Unfortunately for the Dems, the coronavirus scare ramped up after many of the younger candidates were out of the race. There might have been some others that would have caught fire more than Amy or Pete.
Unfortunately for the Dems, the coronavirus scare ramped up after many of the younger candidates were out of the race. There might have been some others that would have caught fire more than Amy or Pete.
Don't inject Lysol.
Re: who ya got?
Since when does a president need to speak in complete sentences?TDub wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:02 amBecause they can speak in complete sentences. They appear to know what the questions are in the debates instead of rambling incoherently and looking confused while misspeaking often. Plus, bonus, theyre young enough they might actually live through the 4 years.
Seriously though, I'm no fan of Bernie. I'm not up for trading one crazy person for another. I would prefer Amy but I don't think that's gonna happen.
Defense. Rebounds.
Re: who ya got?
I too cringe every time Biden gets hung up, but turns out, maybe I should admire him even more?TDub wrote:Because they can speak in complete sentences. They appear to know what the questions are in the debates instead of rambling incoherently and looking confused while misspeaking often...
What Joe Biden Can’t Bring Himself to Say
His verbal stumbles have voters worried about his mental fitness. Maybe they’d be more understanding if they knew he’s still fighting a stutter.
His eyes fall to the floor when I ask him to describe it. We’ve been tiptoeing toward it for 45 minutes, and so far, every time he seems close, he backs away, or leads us in a new direction. There are competing theories in the press, but Joe Biden has kept mum on the subject. I want to hear him explain it. I ask him to walk me through the night he appeared to lose control of his words onstage.
“I—um—I don’t remember,” Biden says. His voice has that familiar shake, the creak and the croak. “I’d have to see it. I-I-I don’t remember.”
We’re in Biden’s mostly vacant Washington, D.C., campaign office on an overcast Tuesday at the end of the summer. Since entering the Democratic presidential-primary race in April, Biden has largely avoided in-depth interviews. When I first reached out, in late June, his press person was polite but noncommittal: Was an interview really necessary for the story?
...Detroit was Biden’s chance to regain control of the narrative. And then something else happened. The candidates were talking about health care. At first, Biden sounded strong, confident, presidential: “My plan makes a limit of co-pay to be One. Thousand. Dollars. Because we—”
He stopped. He pinched his eyes closed. He lifted his hands and thrust them forward, as if trying to pull the missing sound from his mouth. “We f-f-f-f-further
support—” He opened his eyes. “The uh-uh-uh-uh—” His chin dipped toward his chest. “The-uh, the ability to buy into the Obamacare plan.” Biden also stumbled when trying to say immune system.
Stuttering can feel like a series of betrayals. Your body betrays you when it refuses to work in concert with your brain to produce smooth speech. Your brain betrays you when it fails to recall the solutions you practiced after school with a speech therapist, allegedly in private, later learning that your mom was on the other side of a mirror, watching in the dark like a detective. If you’re a lucky stutterer, you have friends and family who build you back up, but sometimes your protectors betray you too.
A Catholic nun betrayed Biden when he was in seventh grade. “I think I was No. 5 in alphabetical order,” Biden says. He points over my right shoulder and stares into the middle distance as the movie rolls in his mind. “We’d sit along the radiators by the window.”...
The students are taking turns reading a book, one by one, up and down the rows. “I could count down how many paragraphs, and I’d memorize it, because I found it easier to memorize than look at the page and read the word. I’d pretend to be reading,” Biden says. “You learned early on who the hell the bullies were,” he tells me later. “You could tell by the look, couldn’t you?”
For most stutterers, reading out loud summons peak dread. A chunk of text that may take a fluent person roughly a minute to read could take a stutterer five or 10 times as long. Four kids away, three kids away. Your shoulders tighten. Two away. The back of your neck catches fire. One away. Then it happens, and the room fills with secondhand embarrassment. Someone breathes a heavy sigh. Someone else laughs. At least one kid mimics your stutter while you’re actively stuttering. You never talk about it. At night, you stare at the ceiling above your bed, reliving it.
“The paragraph I had to read was: ‘Sir Walter Raleigh was a gentleman. He laid his cloak upon the muddy road suh-suh-so the lady wouldn’t soil her shoes when she entered the carriage,’ ” Biden tells me, slightly and unintentionally tripping up on the word so. “And I said, ‘Sir Walter Raleigh was a gentle man who—’ and then the nun said, ‘Mr. Biden, what is that word?’ And it was gentleman that she wanted me to say, not gentle man. And she said, ‘Mr. Buh-Buh-Buh-Biden, what’s that word?’ ”
Biden says he rose from his desk and left the classroom in protest, then walked home. The family story is that his mother, Jean, drove him back to school and confronted the nun with the made-for-TV phrase “You do that again, I’ll knock your bonnet off your head!” I ask Biden what went through his mind as the nun mocked him.
“Anger, rage, humiliation,” he says. His speech becomes staccato. “A feeling of, uh—like I’m sure you’ve experienced—it just drops out of your chest, just, like, you feel … a void.” He lifts his hands up to his face like he did on the debate stage in July, to guide the v sound out of his mouth: void.
By all accounts, Biden was both popular and a strong athlete in high school. He was class president at Archmere Academy, in Claymont, Delaware. His nickname was “Dash”—not a reference to his speed on the football field, but rather another way to mock his stutter. “It was like Morse code—dot dot dot, dash dash dash dash,” Biden says. “Even though by that time I started to overcome it.”
I ask him to expand on the relationship between anger and humiliation, or shame.
“Shame is a big piece of it,” he says, then segues into a story about meeting a stutterer while campaigning.
[...]
“The Electoral College is DEI for rural white folks.”
Derek Cressman
Derek Cressman
Re: who ya got?
Feral wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:45 amI too cringe every time Biden gets hung up, but turns out, maybe I should admire him even more?TDub wrote:Because they can speak in complete sentences. They appear to know what the questions are in the debates instead of rambling incoherently and looking confused while misspeaking often...
What Joe Biden Can’t Bring Himself to Say
His verbal stumbles have voters worried about his mental fitness. Maybe they’d be more understanding if they knew he’s still fighting a stutter.
His eyes fall to the floor when I ask him to describe it. We’ve been tiptoeing toward it for 45 minutes, and so far, every time he seems close, he backs away, or leads us in a new direction. There are competing theories in the press, but Joe Biden has kept mum on the subject. I want to hear him explain it. I ask him to walk me through the night he appeared to lose control of his words onstage.
“I—um—I don’t remember,” Biden says. His voice has that familiar shake, the creak and the croak. “I’d have to see it. I-I-I don’t remember.”
We’re in Biden’s mostly vacant Washington, D.C., campaign office on an overcast Tuesday at the end of the summer. Since entering the Democratic presidential-primary race in April, Biden has largely avoided in-depth interviews. When I first reached out, in late June, his press person was polite but noncommittal: Was an interview really necessary for the story?
...Detroit was Biden’s chance to regain control of the narrative. And then something else happened. The candidates were talking about health care. At first, Biden sounded strong, confident, presidential: “My plan makes a limit of co-pay to be One. Thousand. Dollars. Because we—”
He stopped. He pinched his eyes closed. He lifted his hands and thrust them forward, as if trying to pull the missing sound from his mouth. “We f-f-f-f-further
support—” He opened his eyes. “The uh-uh-uh-uh—” His chin dipped toward his chest. “The-uh, the ability to buy into the Obamacare plan.” Biden also stumbled when trying to say immune system.
Stuttering can feel like a series of betrayals. Your body betrays you when it refuses to work in concert with your brain to produce smooth speech. Your brain betrays you when it fails to recall the solutions you practiced after school with a speech therapist, allegedly in private, later learning that your mom was on the other side of a mirror, watching in the dark like a detective. If you’re a lucky stutterer, you have friends and family who build you back up, but sometimes your protectors betray you too.
A Catholic nun betrayed Biden when he was in seventh grade. “I think I was No. 5 in alphabetical order,” Biden says. He points over my right shoulder and stares into the middle distance as the movie rolls in his mind. “We’d sit along the radiators by the window.”...
The students are taking turns reading a book, one by one, up and down the rows. “I could count down how many paragraphs, and I’d memorize it, because I found it easier to memorize than look at the page and read the word. I’d pretend to be reading,” Biden says. “You learned early on who the hell the bullies were,” he tells me later. “You could tell by the look, couldn’t you?”
For most stutterers, reading out loud summons peak dread. A chunk of text that may take a fluent person roughly a minute to read could take a stutterer five or 10 times as long. Four kids away, three kids away. Your shoulders tighten. Two away. The back of your neck catches fire. One away. Then it happens, and the room fills with secondhand embarrassment. Someone breathes a heavy sigh. Someone else laughs. At least one kid mimics your stutter while you’re actively stuttering. You never talk about it. At night, you stare at the ceiling above your bed, reliving it.
“The paragraph I had to read was: ‘Sir Walter Raleigh was a gentleman. He laid his cloak upon the muddy road suh-suh-so the lady wouldn’t soil her shoes when she entered the carriage,’ ” Biden tells me, slightly and unintentionally tripping up on the word so. “And I said, ‘Sir Walter Raleigh was a gentle man who—’ and then the nun said, ‘Mr. Biden, what is that word?’ And it was gentleman that she wanted me to say, not gentle man. And she said, ‘Mr. Buh-Buh-Buh-Biden, what’s that word?’ ”
Biden says he rose from his desk and left the classroom in protest, then walked home. The family story is that his mother, Jean, drove him back to school and confronted the nun with the made-for-TV phrase “You do that again, I’ll knock your bonnet off your head!” I ask Biden what went through his mind as the nun mocked him.
“Anger, rage, humiliation,” he says. His speech becomes staccato. “A feeling of, uh—like I’m sure you’ve experienced—it just drops out of your chest, just, like, you feel … a void.” He lifts his hands up to his face like he did on the debate stage in July, to guide the v sound out of his mouth: void.
By all accounts, Biden was both popular and a strong athlete in high school. He was class president at Archmere Academy, in Claymont, Delaware. His nickname was “Dash”—not a reference to his speed on the football field, but rather another way to mock his stutter. “It was like Morse code—dot dot dot, dash dash dash dash,” Biden says. “Even though by that time I started to overcome it.”
I ask him to expand on the relationship between anger and humiliation, or shame.
“Shame is a big piece of it,” he says, then segues into a story about meeting a stutterer while campaigning.
[...]
I should clarify. Im not making fun of his stuttering, he has done a great job overcoming that and honestly Ive never even noticed that hes fighting it.
Im more talking about his inability to stay focused in an answer, his forgetting the names of people he has worked with that hes using as his experience points, and the fact that he thinks hes running for a senate seat.
Just Ledoux it
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I would guess his numbers would soar if he could somehow expose his lingual liability in a self-deprecating way during a nationally televised debate or interview.