Kansas Crimson

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:56 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:55 am

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:54 am I don't think he 'stole' anything from Kansas.
It's just disappointing to have players spend a year here and then bounce.
I'd prefer three or four years of a guy.

And yet, you staunchly oppose the single most logical thing that would keep kids in school longer.

I want more kids who want to be here rather than more Quentin Grimes's.

lobster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:41 amGoing through the comments on his Instagram, I felt bad for him. Some people were just trying to wake him up.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:44 am

lobster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:41 amGoing through the comments on his Instagram, I felt bad for him. Some people were just trying to wake him up.

Whenever anyone thinks that KU fans are somehow better than UK fans, remember this.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:44 am

lobster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:41 amGoing through the comments on his Instagram, I felt bad for him. Some people were just trying to wake him up.

Whenever anyone thinks that KU fans are somehow better than UK fans, remember this.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:11 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:13 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:33 am There are 2 sides to every coin.

If he comes back and looks similar then he's going to hurt himself even more than he did this year.

If he comes back and looks better, but then tears his ACL he's in a worse spot.

There are scenarios where it works/helps to come back and there are scenarios where it doesn't help.

But only 1 of those scenarios results in him playing for free when he could get paid to play.

Based on how he played, his smartest mive might be to get a degree. He's probably not going anywhere long term that will make him rich. He's gonna need to get a job after his 4 years in Australia.

No doubt that there's a chance you're correct, but he can do that after playing 4 years in Australia. I'd hope that he'd always be welcome back to Kansas free of charge.

lobster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:49 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:44 am

lobster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:41 amGoing through the comments on his Instagram, I felt bad for him. Some people were just trying to wake him up.

Whenever anyone thinks that KU fans are somehow better than UK fans, remember this.

Ha! There definitely were a lot of assholes on there saying horrible stuff.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:14 am

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:56 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:55 am

And yet, you staunchly oppose the single most logical thing that would keep kids in school longer.

I want more kids who want to be here rather than more Quentin Grimes's.

As specific to why Grimes doesn't want to be here: I agree. He didn't buy into what Bill was selling.

But, you made a general statement about not wanting players to be here for a year. About preferring guys that stay longer.

And there is an obvious way to make it so that the kids who really want to be here have less of a reason to leave early.

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:16 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:14 am

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:56 am

I want more kids who want to be here rather than more Quentin Grimes's.

As specific to why Grimes doesn't want to be here: I agree. He didn't buy into what Bill was selling.

But, you made a general statement about not wanting players to be here for a year. About preferring guys that stay longer.

And there is an obvious way to make it so that the kids who really want to be here have less of a reason to leave early.

There is your solution/wants.
There is my solution/wants.
And round and round we go.

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:16 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:14 am

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:56 am

I want more kids who want to be here rather than more Quentin Grimes's.

As specific to why Grimes doesn't want to be here: I agree. He didn't buy into what Bill was selling.

But, you made a general statement about not wanting players to be here for a year. About preferring guys that stay longer.

And there is an obvious way to make it so that the kids who really want to be here have less of a reason to leave early.

There is your solution/wants.
There is my solution/wants.
And round and round we go.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:24 pm Yeah, but yours remind me of a "Which GoT Character are you" quiz on Buzzfeed.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:31 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:28 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:26 am
I think there is a decent chance that if selden left after his freshman year he'd have gotten drafted. I also think there's a decent chance that his NBA career would already be over. I think he learned a lot by staying and maturing (as lobster keeps saying) that likely helped him through. Signing a second contract is so much more important than being a second round pick.

For Grimes, I'm not sure if he is capable of having a workout that overcomes what he showed in games. If it's really in there, he should stay and prove it. If it's not there he's not going to be succesful anyway.

Yes, like I said, his new goal needs to be getting drafted at all. This summer, next summer, or whenever.

His stock is the lowest it's ever been.

But, his stock might now reflect reality more than it ever has.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:01 pm

lobster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:49 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:44 am

Whenever anyone thinks that KU fans are somehow better than UK fans, remember this.

Ha! There definitely were a lot of assholes on there saying horrible stuff.

If any of these kids had true "mentors" (and not handlers with hands out), they wouldn't have access to their own mentions.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:42 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:31 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:28 am

Yes, like I said, his new goal needs to be getting drafted at all. This summer, next summer, or whenever.

His stock is the lowest it's ever been.

But, his stock might now reflect reality more than it ever has.

This. Grimes is example 1A of why the NBA has the OAD rule in place. Grimes would have been a Top 10, maybe even Top 5 pick in last year's draft. You guys think some KU fans have been hard on the kid? Can you imagine the shit he would have taken if he went out as a Top 5 pick and played like he did this past season?

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:58 pm I don't wish any ill will on Grimes.
If he does well in the NBA, good for him.
But I won't search out his box scores or highlights like I do for dudes like Vonte, Mason and Selden.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:01 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:42 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:31 am
But, his stock might now reflect reality more than it ever has.

This. Grimes is example 1A of why the NBA has the OAD rule in place. Grimes would have been a Top 10, maybe even Top 5 pick in last year's draft. You guys think some KU fans have been hard on the kid? Can you imagine the shit he would have taken if he went out as a Top 5 pick and played like he did this past season?

He was never projected as a top 5 pick.

All 3 duke kids would have gone ahead of him. Doncic. Trae Young. I could go on. That's silliness.