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Paul1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:47 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:42 am

Paul1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:20 am Perhaps because a select few make a huge point of expressing that they take pride in where they are from and who they are representing? And actually profit from it.
Then right or wrong their fans feel deserted when they leave being that they are left to wallow with a shit team because their hero who they have a strong allegiance to has left them.
I don't know, that's just a thought.

Basing whether something is allowed on whether or not it angers fans is foolish. Fans should be viewed generally as an overtired toddler.

LOL! Without fans an NBA player isn't shit. "over tired toddlers" or not, how much money has LeBron James made off of his fans? That's the bottom line. Isn't it?

NDballer13 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:17 am And did he not deliver what he promised to Cleveland? The way Dan Gilbert, and the rest of Cleveland to a lesser extent, treated him when he went to Miami they didn't deserve to get him back. Yet he still went back and gave Gilbert and Cleveland a title.

They are in debt to him. He doesn't owe Cleveland any more than he has already delivered.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:57 pm I think Cleveland is more in debt to him than he to them but I see what you're saying.
He didn't have to come back to Cleveland.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:09 am

Paul1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:47 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:42 am
Basing whether something is allowed on whether or not it angers fans is foolish. Fans should be viewed generally as an overtired toddler.

LOL! Without fans an NBA player isn't shit. "over tired toddlers" or not, how much money has LeBron James made off of his fans? That's the bottom line. Isn't it?

Ah, the old "I pay your salary so I am am entitled to get whatever I what" hissy fit.
One of my favorite adult toddler arguments.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:39 pm

NDballer13 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:17 am And did he not deliver what he promised to Cleveland? The way Dan Gilbert, and the rest of Cleveland to a lesser extent, treated him when he went to Miami they didn't deserve to get him back. Yet he still went back and gave Gilbert and Cleveland a title.

They are in debt to him. He doesn't owe Cleveland any more than he has already delivered.

Cleveland doesn't owe him shit. He negotiated a fair contract within the parameters of the NBA's CBA and was paid in full.

You sound as dumb as the people who think he's an asshole for leaving for a different team when you say stupid shit like that.

If we're going to compare NBA athletes leaving town to a banker switching banks, then the analogy is that he was hired by Cleveland to do a job, he did it well, then the contract was up, and he moved on. Why would Cleveland owe him anything now? They don't.

Paul1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:21 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:09 am

Paul1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:47 am

LOL! Without fans an NBA player isn't shit. "over tired toddlers" or not, how much money has LeBron James made off of his fans? That's the bottom line. Isn't it?

Ah, the old "I pay your salary so I am am entitled to get whatever I what" hissy fit.
One of my favorite adult toddler arguments.

Not a hissy fit, not an argument.
Owners pay salaries.
Forgetting ticket sales, which help the owners pay salaries, fans buy shoes,jerseys, etc.
I feel it doesn't make them "entitled" to anything - other than being a fan and hoping a player who they cheer for stays loyal to those he claims a loyalty to. That's all.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:47 pm

Paul1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:21 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:09 am
Ah, the old "I pay your salary so I am am entitled to get whatever I what" hissy fit.
One of my favorite adult toddler arguments.

Not a hissy fit, not an argument.
Owners pay salaries.
Forgetting ticket sales, which help the owners pay salaries, fans buy shoes,jerseys, etc.
I feel it doesn't make them "entitled" to anything - other than being a fan and hoping a player who they cheer for stays loyal to those he claims a loyalty to. That's all.

Then stop demanding that players take the feelings of fans into consideration when choosing whether to stay with th their team or move to a different one.

NDballer13 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:52 pm How many Bulls fans burned MJ jerseys and bashed on him when he turned his back on them to play baseball?

Paul1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:13 pm

NDballer13 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:52 pm How many Bulls fans burned MJ jerseys and bashed on him when he turned his back on them to play baseball?

3? 6? 8? 29? 42? 4,000? Zero? I really don't know nor would I be able to give an educated guess.
Not sure if you are trying to imply Bulls fans were or were not angry.
I wasn't happy that the NBA came out publicly and said they were going to investigate his gambling and then never came out publicly with the results of their investigation.
I assumed that meant he very well may have been guilty of actually betting on games he played in and if so - he should have been banned from playing for life.