Kansas Crimson

Mjl wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:58 am

NiceDC wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:41 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:13 pm

What's not safe about it as a parent? The disease is no worse than the flu for kids.

It's the teachers, and the at- risk parents/caregivers that I'm worried about. And the person who can't get treated at the hospital for something else because the ICU is full.

Probably, you know, all the people that kid is going to spread it to, including the parents, grandparents, neighbors, essential workers, the dozen of other folks that a kid will come in contact with. And acting like the flu is NBD has been insane. I’ve had the flu three times, mono once, and never been ill of minor colds outside of that. The flu times all have been terrible, all which I was out of commission for a week at least. There is a reason all of us who are fortunate enough to get flu shots get them. The flu is really bad. Acting like we should accept the flu is appalling. Having to get the flu, roll a pair of dice you will be in the emergency room if you get 11 or above, then dying if you again get 10 or above, should not be acceptable.

I think you misunderstood my point - basically exactly what you said.

My bad. I didn’t register your intended tone. Please disregard.

Millions of people everyday get up and go work. Millions everywhere. Everyday.

If your governor says it is safe to try in person learning come September,I would expect the teachers to report for work.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:13 am Millions of people everyday get up and go work. Millions everywhere. Everyday.

If your governor says it is safe to try in person learning come September,I would expect the teachers to report for work.

It's clearly not safe.

And that's what's so goddamned confounding about all of this - we can't have a rational conversation about how to make things less unsafe, because dumbass, science-allergic Republicans can't break out of trying to win a talking points screaming contest.

What a fucking idiot.

Millions of people get up every morning and go to work. At the end of every day millions of people come home safe and sound.

Millions of people do it everyday.

It's too late to stop the spread by locking down. The best we can do now is wear masks and social distance for the rest of the year. Locking down further is just going to cause more of recession and devalue our currency even more. You think food prices are high now? Just wait.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:38 am Millions of people get up every morning and go to work. At the end of every day millions of people come home safe and sound.

Millions of people do it everyday.

143,000 Amecian dead, and counting. May well double by Labor Day. That's more than any US war other than the Civil War and WWII.

I presume you're fortunate enough not to know anyone who has died of covid. I can't imagine you'd be this stupidly, blithely cavalier otherwise.

It really doesn’t matter. School districts that can begin the year in person will do so. Then the first time a teacher a janitor a bus driver a student a parent of a student an administrator tests positive the entire school district will slam shut and send everybody home.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:46 am It really doesn’t matter. School districts that can begin the year in person will do so. Then the first time a teacher a janitor a bus driver a student a parent of a student an administrator tests positive the entire school district will slam shut and send everybody home.

So, after hundreds have been infected?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:45 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:38 am Millions of people get up every morning and go to work. At the end of every day millions of people come home safe and sound.

Millions of people do it everyday.

143,000 Amecian dead, and counting. May well double by Labor Day. That's more than any US war other than the Civil War and WWII.

I presume you're fortunate enough not to know anyone who has died of covid. I can't imagine you'd be this stupidly, blithely cavalier otherwise.

I’m curious. What about my statement is untrue?

Or did you just see it as an opportunity to grandstand and bloviate like you like to do.

Someone I've known at work for several years lost his wife to covid 3 weeks ago. I'm very well aware of how dangerous it is. She was in her 60s and had underlying conditions. Her husband told us that he even believes there's nothing we can really do to stop it other than if no one goes out. If you're in the same office building, it's going to spread just by air circulation.

If school teachers are not ESSENTIAL than who in the heck is.

If your governor says it is safe to start the school year in person, then I would expect the teachers to report for duty.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:50 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:45 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:38 am Millions of people get up every morning and go to work. At the end of every day millions of people come home safe and sound.

Millions of people do it everyday.

143,000 Amecian dead, and counting. May well double by Labor Day. That's more than any US war other than the Civil War and WWII.

I presume you're fortunate enough not to know anyone who has died of covid. I can't imagine you'd be this stupidly, blithely cavalier otherwise.

I’m curious. What about my statement is untrue?

Or did you just see it as an opportunity to grandstand and bloviate like you like to do.

It is neither grandstanding nor bloviating to say your stupid, blithe dismissal of what's happening is stupid and blithe.

If a half-dozen 737s were falling out of the sky every day, we'd stop fucking flying until we figured out how to do it safely.

MICH, you should have read the LA teachers union proposal. They wanted to defund the entire police. Batshit crazy people.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:55 am If school teachers are not ESSENTIAL than who in the heck is.

If your governor says it is safe to start the school year in person, then I would expect the teachers to report for duty.

Certainly one of the odder ideological aspects of this - stupid wishcasting about "reopening" being safe is going to get more people killed in Republican-governed states.

I’m gonna leave the bloviating to the attorneys and politicians. I’m gonna leave the school administrating to the bloviating attorney’s and school administrators.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:55 am If school teachers are not ESSENTIAL than who in the heck is.

If your governor says it is safe to start the school year in person, then I would expect the teachers to report for duty.

So in other words, you're cool if a Governor wants to basically send kids and teachers in to a mine field?
I'm not saying kids and teachers shouldn't be going back to school but I sure as heck would be understanding if they were extremely fearful to do as such.

our school district did a choice system.

Monday Tuesday group. Then virtual Wednesday for everyone (so they can clean). Then a Thursday Friday group. Masks. Shortened days. "Trying" to distance as much as possible. Temperature checks. Quarantine rooms if someone gets sick or has a fever.

Or fully remote.

We chose fully remote. We both have flexible work schedules and both sets of grandparents are retired to fill in the gaps if needed. There are downsides to either choice, but for us the downsides for virtual were far less than in person. She is a sweet girl and socially i am not worried about her. She was more scared about going to school and "getting nina and papa or my (*her*) little brother sick".

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:15 am our school district did a choice system.

Monday Tuesday group. Then virtual Wednesday for everyone (so they can clean). Then a Thursday Friday group. Masks. Shortened days. "Trying" to distance as much as possible. Temperature checks. Quarantine rooms if someone gets sick or has a fever.

Or fully remote.

We chose fully remote. We both have flexible work schedules and both sets of grandparents are retired to fill in the gaps if needed. There are downsides to either choice, but for us the downsides for virtual were far less than in person. She is a sweet girl and socially i am not worried about her. She was more scared about going to school and "getting nina and papa or my (*her*) little brother sick".

Sounds like you have some good options. I am feeling pretty "stuck with sending them" right now. There is zero chance that I could ask my to-be senior in high school to stay home.

My 2nd grader is my big question mark. Our school system hasn't really defined what their remote learning consists of. If it consists of how they finished the year then that's a hard "no" vote. That was basically a waste of time.

Iam still home for the foreseeable future but not forever. We only have one grandparent in town here and she is pretty unreliable at being available for the kids lately. Her social calendar since her husband died has become her top priority, which is her right. But she is really of no help. And my wife has taken on some additional work to try to help recoup some lost income so her time will be less reliable.

Overall, I think my kids mental health will be better if they go back to school, especially considering what it would be like if they were home. I'd feel a lot better if the schools had presented their full plans full how things will looking behave. Fingers crossed.