Re: 21-22 Schedule
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:36 am
Saying the main factor of who we win or loose to is simply their quad status or kenpom rank is either dishonest or removed from the history of the program imo.
Could also say Kansas fans were eager to watch them play. I paid to watch them play in the University games and I wouldn't call a random team of 19-21 yr olds from Germany a rival.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:19 am And in that one game we played mizzou i paid above normal market value to be able to watch it online (as did a shit ton of other irrc). I think that says something.
Not to discount Baylor, but UT-KU could really heat back up to what it used to be.
I also paid for that...but i viewed that as a more unique event since they were representing the United States. I also think that was cheaper than the Mizzou game iirc (and obviously was multiple games).NDballer13 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:49 amCould also say Kansas fans were eager to watch them play. I paid to watch them play in the University games and I wouldn't call a random team of 19-21 yr olds from Germany a rival.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:19 am And in that one game we played mizzou i paid above normal market value to be able to watch it online (as did a shit ton of other irrc). I think that says something.
Watch KU vs UK game in Rupp and then watch a UL vs UK game in Rupp. They don't view us as their rival.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:53 am But, the "we can't be UK's rival because of Louisville" doesn't make any sense. That's like saying we can't be Kansas State's rival because we have mizzou.
That's fine. I also never said it was the same level as UK/UL.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:19 amWatch KU vs UK game in Rupp and then watch a UL vs UK game in Rupp. They don't view us as their rival.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:53 am But, the "we can't be UK's rival because of Louisville" doesn't make any sense. That's like saying we can't be Kansas State's rival because we have mizzou.
We can hate them. We can enjoy beating them. But there are certain characteristics a rivalry must contain and UK/KU doesn't contain enough of them in my opinion.
You haven't watched a single game on ESPN+ the last few years?BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:15 am
If Kansas played Clemson or Notre Dame and the only way to watch it was online (for a fee) then i probably wouldn't watch.
For sure. I hear ya. I think we are just wanting to call it different things (peer vs rival). The competition is great against them (same with Duke UNC and maybe 1 or 2 others).CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:29 amThat's fine. I also never said it was the same level as UK/UL.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:19 amWatch KU vs UK game in Rupp and then watch a UL vs UK game in Rupp. They don't view us as their rival.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:53 am But, the "we can't be UK's rival because of Louisville" doesn't make any sense. That's like saying we can't be Kansas State's rival because we have mizzou.
We can hate them. We can enjoy beating them. But there are certain characteristics a rivalry must contain and UK/KU doesn't contain enough of them in my opinion.
Our two programs have been intertwined for a long time. Your interpretation of ESPN broadcasts does not change that. I am also remembering that UK set an attendance record one of the last times we went there. I know UK fans. I've been in Lex and Kentucky many times. Their fans absolutely do not like KU. Not to the level they don't like Duke or Louisville, never argued that.
But, again, this is from a competition standpoint, which our historical rivals just haven't given us in the Self era for several different reasons.
I was talking more about exhibitions like the Mizzou game.NDballer13 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:30 amYou haven't watched a single game on ESPN+ the last few years?BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:15 am
If Kansas played Clemson or Notre Dame and the only way to watch it was online (for a fee) then i probably wouldn't watch.
It probably is a fair of semantics, but bring up UK to a KU fan, especially here on this board, and you get a different reaction than you would if you brought up Villanova or Michigan State, and at this point, even UNC. That goes beyond "peer," for me.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:31 amFor sure. I hear ya. I think we are just wanting to call it different things (peer vs rival). The competition is great against them (same with Duke UNC and maybe 1 or 2 others).CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:29 amThat's fine. I also never said it was the same level as UK/UL.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:19 am
Watch KU vs UK game in Rupp and then watch a UL vs UK game in Rupp. They don't view us as their rival.
We can hate them. We can enjoy beating them. But there are certain characteristics a rivalry must contain and UK/KU doesn't contain enough of them in my opinion.
Our two programs have been intertwined for a long time. Your interpretation of ESPN broadcasts does not change that. I am also remembering that UK set an attendance record one of the last times we went there. I know UK fans. I've been in Lex and Kentucky many times. Their fans absolutely do not like KU. Not to the level they don't like Duke or Louisville, never argued that.
But, again, this is from a competition standpoint, which our historical rivals just haven't given us in the Self era for several different reasons.
You're talking to people who can't match your inellect.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:29 amThat's fine. I also never said it was the same level as UK/UL.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:19 amWatch KU vs UK game in Rupp and then watch a UL vs UK game in Rupp. They don't view us as their rival.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:53 am But, the "we can't be UK's rival because of Louisville" doesn't make any sense. That's like saying we can't be Kansas State's rival because we have mizzou.
We can hate them. We can enjoy beating them. But there are certain characteristics a rivalry must contain and UK/KU doesn't contain enough of them in my opinion.
Our two programs have been intertwined for a long time. Your interpretation of ESPN broadcasts does not change that. I am also remembering that UK set an attendance record one of the last times we went there. I know UK fans. I've been in Lex and Kentucky many times. Their fans absolutely do not like KU. Not to the level they don't like Duke or Louisville, never argued that.
But, again, this is from a competition standpoint, which our historical rivals just haven't given us in the Self era for several different reasons.
But if we played UK in an exhibition game in October when we are all absolutely starved for basketball, you would absolutely watch.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:33 amI was talking more about exhibitions like the Mizzou game.NDballer13 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:30 amYou haven't watched a single game on ESPN+ the last few years?BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:15 am
If Kansas played Clemson or Notre Dame and the only way to watch it was online (for a fee) then i probably wouldn't watch.
I have kids, so espn+ comes with the disney+ subscription (as does HULU).
For me, it's simply different now that Mizzou isn't in our conference. Beating them now is simply a personally satisfying win that avoids a bad loss. It used to be about enjoying ruining their fans dreams of winning the conference/dashing their delusional dreams. Since we don't have that same rivalry any more, my personal rivalry chart is split into two:pdub wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:01 am If you're going to say "new biggest rival" and mean they are one of them, yes, but you can't discount the hundred plus years and hundreds of games between KU and Mizzou and KU and ksu.
And in response to "we dont play Mizzou" - a. Wouldn't discount all the history b. The rivalry is so deep that we wouldn't schedule them partly out of hate c. We are playing them. And itll be a bigger game for most KU fans.
And in response to how shitty ksu is...full on gutter here but they have as many B12 titles as we do in the last three years.
It's just weird to me that we have fans who out of one side of their mouth are snarky and say "Kansas State isn't a rivalry, because rivalry indicates competitiveness," then on the other side say "no way is this blueblood school we play nearly every single year in close games and compete with on every recruit and measure our NBA alumni up against a rival."Cascadia wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:36 amYou're talking to people who can't match your inellect.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:29 amThat's fine. I also never said it was the same level as UK/UL.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:19 am
Watch KU vs UK game in Rupp and then watch a UL vs UK game in Rupp. They don't view us as their rival.
We can hate them. We can enjoy beating them. But there are certain characteristics a rivalry must contain and UK/KU doesn't contain enough of them in my opinion.
Our two programs have been intertwined for a long time. Your interpretation of ESPN broadcasts does not change that. I am also remembering that UK set an attendance record one of the last times we went there. I know UK fans. I've been in Lex and Kentucky many times. Their fans absolutely do not like KU. Not to the level they don't like Duke or Louisville, never argued that.
But, again, this is from a competition standpoint, which our historical rivals just haven't given us in the Self era for several different reasons.
UK is definitely a rival. KSU may have been a rival many years ago, but not since the 1980's. Their a trash program that we routinely beat. 83-12 against them in the last 95 games.
simple minded people who can't control their emotions.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:44 amIt's just weird to me that we have fans who out of one side of their mouth are snarky and say "Kansas State isn't a rivalry, because rivalry indicates competitiveness," then on the other side say "no way is this blueblood school we play nearly every single year in close games and compete with on every recruit and measure our NBA alumni up against a rival."Cascadia wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:36 amYou're talking to people who can't match your inellect.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:29 am
That's fine. I also never said it was the same level as UK/UL.
Our two programs have been intertwined for a long time. Your interpretation of ESPN broadcasts does not change that. I am also remembering that UK set an attendance record one of the last times we went there. I know UK fans. I've been in Lex and Kentucky many times. Their fans absolutely do not like KU. Not to the level they don't like Duke or Louisville, never argued that.
But, again, this is from a competition standpoint, which our historical rivals just haven't given us in the Self era for several different reasons.
UK is definitely a rival. KSU may have been a rival many years ago, but not since the 1980's. Their a trash program that we routinely beat. 83-12 against them in the last 95 games.