Kansas Crimson

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:59 pm The real life issues of people like me denouncing child sex trafficking... lol

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:00 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:24 pm Then why are the lefties on this board and everywhere else acting like a movie that exposes pedophilia and child sex trafficking is controversial???

Because the rubes aren’t allowed to be passionate about causes. We aren’t intelligent enough to be trusted not to be naughty.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:39 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:00 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:24 pm Then why are the lefties on this board and everywhere else acting like a movie that exposes pedophilia and child sex trafficking is controversial???

Because the rubes aren’t allowed to be passionate about causes. We aren’t intelligent enough to be trusted not to be naughty.

If all your passion does is motivate you to whine online and point more fingers at Dems, then it's not actually passion and it means the cause is a farce. If all you do is chalk it up as another reason to vote for Trump, who claims he'll go after these people but in reality is no more than a child abusing perv himself, then it's just more faux passion.

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:43 pm Socrates had a pretty good lesson for you. Know thyself, strawman.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:17 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:43 pm Socrates had a pretty good lesson for you. Know thyself, strawman.

I have to hand it to you; you all are an arrogant bunch. Inaccurate, but arrogant.

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:30 am

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:47 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:17 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:43 pm Socrates had a pretty good lesson for you. Know thyself, strawman.

I have to hand it to you; you all are an arrogant bunch. Inaccurate, but arrogant.

“We will never have the elite, smart people on our side.”
Rick Santorum, former R Penn Senator

/thread

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:33 am

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:47 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:17 pm

I have to hand it to you; you all are an arrogant bunch. Inaccurate, but arrogant.

“We will never have the elite, smart people on our side.”
Rick Santorum, former R Penn Senator

/thread

Thanks for proving my point.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:53 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:39 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:00 pm

Because the rubes aren’t allowed to be passionate about causes. We aren’t intelligent enough to be trusted not to be naughty.

If all your passion does is motivate you to whine online and point more fingers at Dems, then it's not actually passion and it means the cause is a farce. If all you do is chalk it up as another reason to vote for Trump, who claims he'll go after these people but in reality is no more than a child abusing perv himself, then it's just more faux passion.

Who are you describing? I don't know anyone like that. I'm guessing the straw man you've built is a figment of your imagination powered by your oversized sense of superiority. You should reconsider.

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:30 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:28 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:53 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:39 pm
If all your passion does is motivate you to whine online and point more fingers at Dems, then it's not actually passion and it means the cause is a farce. If all you do is chalk it up as another reason to vote for Trump, who claims he'll go after these people but in reality is no more than a child abusing perv himself, then it's just more faux passion.

Who are you describing? I don't know anyone like that. I'm guessing the straw man you've built is a figment of your imagination powered by your oversized sense of superiority. You should reconsider.

From last July:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3576 ... king-bill/

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) was among the 20 House Republicans who voted on Tuesday against a bill that seeks to combat human trafficking.

Gaetz, who is currently under investigation by the Department of Justice for sex trafficking allegations involving a minor, was among the Republicans who opposed the bill that aims to bolster programs including shelters, mental health care, education and job training for victims of human trafficking.

Gaetz was joined by GOP Reps. Brian Babin (Texas), Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Ken Buck (Colo.), Andrew Clyde (Ga.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Andy Harris (Md.), Jody Hice (Ga.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Tom McClintock (Calif.), Mary Miller (Ill.), Troy Nehls (Texas), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Scott Perry (Pa.), Chip Roy (Texas) and Van Taylor (Texas).

And I feel fairly confident that I can search around through here and find far more examples of you trying to make this a GOP vs. Democrat thing vs. sharing a link to some sort of program or charity that could be supported to help actually fight it. You know, what people who are actually passionate about a cause do.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:28 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:53 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:39 pm
If all your passion does is motivate you to whine online and point more fingers at Dems, then it's not actually passion and it means the cause is a farce. If all you do is chalk it up as another reason to vote for Trump, who claims he'll go after these people but in reality is no more than a child abusing perv himself, then it's just more faux passion.

Who are you describing? I don't know anyone like that. I'm guessing the straw man you've built is a figment of your imagination powered by your oversized sense of superiority. You should reconsider.

From last July:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3576 ... king-bill/

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) was among the 20 House Republicans who voted on Tuesday against a bill that seeks to combat human trafficking.

Gaetz, who is currently under investigation by the Department of Justice for sex trafficking allegations involving a minor, was among the Republicans who opposed the bill that aims to bolster programs including shelters, mental health care, education and job training for victims of human trafficking.

Gaetz was joined by GOP Reps. Brian Babin (Texas), Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Ken Buck (Colo.), Andrew Clyde (Ga.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Andy Harris (Md.), Jody Hice (Ga.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Tom McClintock (Calif.), Mary Miller (Ill.), Troy Nehls (Texas), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Scott Perry (Pa.), Chip Roy (Texas) and Van Taylor (Texas).

And I feel fairly confident that I can search around through here and find far more examples of you trying to make this a GOP vs. Democrat thing vs. sharing a link to some sort of program or charity that could be supported to help actually fight it. You know, what people who are actually passionate about a cause do.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:33 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:28 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:53 pm

Who are you describing? I don't know anyone like that. I'm guessing the straw man you've built is a figment of your imagination powered by your oversized sense of superiority. You should reconsider.

From last July:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3576 ... king-bill/

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) was among the 20 House Republicans who voted on Tuesday against a bill that seeks to combat human trafficking.

Gaetz, who is currently under investigation by the Department of Justice for sex trafficking allegations involving a minor, was among the Republicans who opposed the bill that aims to bolster programs including shelters, mental health care, education and job training for victims of human trafficking.

Gaetz was joined by GOP Reps. Brian Babin (Texas), Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Ken Buck (Colo.), Andrew Clyde (Ga.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Andy Harris (Md.), Jody Hice (Ga.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Tom McClintock (Calif.), Mary Miller (Ill.), Troy Nehls (Texas), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Scott Perry (Pa.), Chip Roy (Texas) and Van Taylor (Texas).

And I feel fairly confident that I can search around through here and find far more examples of you trying to make this a GOP vs. Democrat thing vs. sharing a link to some sort of program or charity that could be supported to help actually fight it. You know, what people who are actually passionate about a cause do.

Whatever. You guys have an amazing ability to take a good thing - an independently funded film that sat on a shelf for five years and is now approaching a billion dollars in gross sales and is bringing attention to a great cause-and rip it apart a million different ways. Congratulations. SMH.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:33 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:28 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:53 pm

Who are you describing? I don't know anyone like that. I'm guessing the straw man you've built is a figment of your imagination powered by your oversized sense of superiority. You should reconsider.

From last July:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3576 ... king-bill/

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) was among the 20 House Republicans who voted on Tuesday against a bill that seeks to combat human trafficking.

Gaetz, who is currently under investigation by the Department of Justice for sex trafficking allegations involving a minor, was among the Republicans who opposed the bill that aims to bolster programs including shelters, mental health care, education and job training for victims of human trafficking.

Gaetz was joined by GOP Reps. Brian Babin (Texas), Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Ken Buck (Colo.), Andrew Clyde (Ga.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Andy Harris (Md.), Jody Hice (Ga.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Tom McClintock (Calif.), Mary Miller (Ill.), Troy Nehls (Texas), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Scott Perry (Pa.), Chip Roy (Texas) and Van Taylor (Texas).

And I feel fairly confident that I can search around through here and find far more examples of you trying to make this a GOP vs. Democrat thing vs. sharing a link to some sort of program or charity that could be supported to help actually fight it. You know, what people who are actually passionate about a cause do.

Whatever. You guys have an amazing ability to take a good thing - an independently funded film that sat on a shelf for five years and is now approaching a billion dollars in gross sales and is bringing attention to a great cause-and rip it apart a million different ways. Congratulations. SMH.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:19 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:28 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:53 pm

Who are you describing? I don't know anyone like that. I'm guessing the straw man you've built is a figment of your imagination powered by your oversized sense of superiority. You should reconsider.

From last July:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3576 ... king-bill/

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) was among the 20 House Republicans who voted on Tuesday against a bill that seeks to combat human trafficking.

Gaetz, who is currently under investigation by the Department of Justice for sex trafficking allegations involving a minor, was among the Republicans who opposed the bill that aims to bolster programs including shelters, mental health care, education and job training for victims of human trafficking.

Gaetz was joined by GOP Reps. Brian Babin (Texas), Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Ken Buck (Colo.), Andrew Clyde (Ga.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Andy Harris (Md.), Jody Hice (Ga.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Tom McClintock (Calif.), Mary Miller (Ill.), Troy Nehls (Texas), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Scott Perry (Pa.), Chip Roy (Texas) and Van Taylor (Texas).

And I feel fairly confident that I can search around through here and find far more examples of you trying to make this a GOP vs. Democrat thing vs. sharing a link to some sort of program or charity that could be supported to help actually fight it. You know, what people who are actually passionate about a cause do.

(I'm aware of several states in which Rs are pushing for (or to maintain) legal marriage between adults and minors. Legalized child sex trafficking under color of religion, in other words. I would be very open to evidence of Ds pushing this, as well. But what I'm aware of is Rs doing it: https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-ma ... ge-1786476)

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:42 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:33 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:28 am
From last July:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3576 ... king-bill/

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) was among the 20 House Republicans who voted on Tuesday against a bill that seeks to combat human trafficking.

Gaetz, who is currently under investigation by the Department of Justice for sex trafficking allegations involving a minor, was among the Republicans who opposed the bill that aims to bolster programs including shelters, mental health care, education and job training for victims of human trafficking.

Gaetz was joined by GOP Reps. Brian Babin (Texas), Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Ken Buck (Colo.), Andrew Clyde (Ga.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Andy Harris (Md.), Jody Hice (Ga.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Tom McClintock (Calif.), Mary Miller (Ill.), Troy Nehls (Texas), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Scott Perry (Pa.), Chip Roy (Texas) and Van Taylor (Texas).

And I feel fairly confident that I can search around through here and find far more examples of you trying to make this a GOP vs. Democrat thing vs. sharing a link to some sort of program or charity that could be supported to help actually fight it. You know, what people who are actually passionate about a cause do.

Whatever. You guys have an amazing ability to take a good thing - an independently funded film that sat on a shelf for five years and is now approaching a billion dollars in gross sales and is bringing attention to a great cause-and rip it apart a million different ways. Congratulations. SMH.

Ok, let's put a pin in this and revisit when word comes out of someone getting themselves killed, or getting someone else killed.

I don't know why it's so controversial to say that it's true at the same time that (1) child sex trafficking is real, and a real problem (and of course it is bad), and (2) responsibly raising awareness of issues is good, and (3) the motives of at least some of the people behind (and profiting from) this movie are highly questionable, and (4) there are real-life consequences from real issues being twisted and distorted for culture war purposes.

To a rational person, all four of these things can be true at the same time.