Kansas Crimson

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:48 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:46 am

I would imagine that much of the ground Trump gained with Latinx voters was among voters who individually experience the (very real!) unfairness of essentially getting undercut by scabs.

I can't fault people for voting their actual experience. That's a huge part of how it should work!

But of course the message got to, and unquestionably and conclusively influenced, those for whom the experience was significantly less personal. Those for whom the adoption and amplification of the message was significantly more cynical.

Well said.

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:10 am Look at your comment that made me sigh.

"but what you're failing to reconcile, is that even if she did do those things, it wasn't wasn't enough to win over enough voters."

Then go back in THIS LITERAL THREAD THAT I POSTED and try to deduce some things out of things that I LITERALLY POSTED.

I'll quote some of them for you to make it easier.

"I think Democrats can take part of the blame here for not being realistic with the health of their candidate earlier."

"I do think a good percentage of these voters simply aren’t ready for a female president."

"I think a new voice at the right time would have made a difference, no doubt in my mind.
Harris was attached to Biden and what many Trump voters associated with the problems they had."

"She certainly isn't likable to white males. ( i mean, hell, I compared her to veggie lasagna ) I think she was put in a bad spot - associated with Biden and the last four years - and did have issues with likability, yes."

"It might be hard to believe but maybe she actually believes in the policies she presented."

So from those comments, and, this one in particular, you know the very first comment:

"Not that I didn’t see this coming.
I think Christian white people - largely men - ( yes Trump gained some of the Latino vote - again largely men - but Harris still won the majority ) were concerned about their role in society and felt abandoned/attacked. They were also not happy with the recovery of the economy, specifically their individual purchasing power, after the pandemic.

I think Democrats can take part of the blame here for not being realistic with the health of their candidate earlier.

The failure isn’t how they felt per se—it is the candidate that they stood behind. He is the embodiment of the worst of this country. A cheater. A bigot. A sore looser. A liar. A man solely out for his money and his ego. And a man who at best riled up his base after he lost in 20 just enough to cause something he didn’t intend and, at worst, was trying with everything he had to overturn the Democratic process.

He conned the people yet again with promises he can fix things. He will try his best to give tax breaks to the wealthy. He will try his best to institute tariffs. And deport immigrants. And absolve himself of crimes or misconduct. It remains to be seen if any of that will actually work in any positive way.

I’m doubting it.

Fucking shameful.""


perhaps you could deduce that, hey, maybe he has reconciled that, yes, she was put in a bad spot ( with a large part of the blame on her party ) and she also failed at convincing a group of voters who were upset with the previous administration that they wouldn't get four more years of the same. But a large group of these voters are problematic and should be ashamed of themselves.

So then let's finally address this part:

"so what's your point then?"

Well just read this part again:

"perhaps you could deduce that, hey, maybe he has reconciled that, yes, she was put in a bad spot ( with a large part of the blame on her party ) and she also failed at convincing a group of voters who were upset with the previous administration that they wouldn't get four more years of the same. But a large group of these voters are problematic and should be ashamed of themselves."

And then this part again:

"Not that I didn’t see this coming.
I think Christian white people - largely men - ( yes Trump gained some of the Latino vote - again largely men - but Harris still won the majority ) were concerned about their role in society and felt abandoned/attacked. They were also not happy with the recovery of the economy, specifically their individual purchasing power, after the pandemic.

I think Democrats can take part of the blame here for not being realistic with the health of their candidate earlier.

The failure isn’t how they felt per se—it is the candidate that they stood behind. He is the embodiment of the worst of this country. A cheater. A bigot. A sore looser. A liar. A man solely out for his money and his ego. And a man who at best riled up his base after he lost in 20 just enough to cause something he didn’t intend and, at worst, was trying with everything he had to overturn the Democratic process.

He conned the people yet again with promises he can fix things. He will try his best to give tax breaks to the wealthy. He will try his best to institute tariffs. And deport immigrants. And absolve himself of crimes or misconduct. It remains to be seen if any of that will actually work in any positive way.

I’m doubting it.

Fucking shameful.""

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:08 am
cuz, let's face it: you didn't read it either, nor did anyone else.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:08 am right back atcha!

if you're suggesting I didn't go read her entire website just cuz you told me to, you're right.

cuz, let's face it: you didn't read it either, nor did anyone else.

and regardless, offering a loosing candidate's website as a talking point the day after they get their ass kicked is kinda silly. Kinda late to do anything about it now, huh.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:14 am
You're wasting your time.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:23 am "Trump voters are good and decent people"

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:15 am

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:08 am
cuz, let's face it: you didn't read it either, nor did anyone else.

I did read it.
I read the entire page of her issues top to bottom.
Weeks ago.
I was initially upset like you she wasn't stating what she stood for and that, of all places, it should be on her website. And then it was. And then I read it all.

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pdub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:24 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:23 am "Trump voters are good and decent people"

But this isn't fully true.
It just isn't.

But also, yes, being civil at or on certain stages is productive.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:25 am So I suppose it sucks for her, and for you as a supporter, and in a sense for America at large, that although she put that on her website, she still got meat necklaced by a nut job anyway.

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:18 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:14 am
You're wasting your time.

Yea.
I know.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:22 am Best case now is what exactly - that his economic policies have disastrous-enough effects to make 2028 (or even the midterms?) about the "hardship" Elon promised?

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:28 am to the point - Trump voters are either bigoted nut jobs themselves, or they're ok with the bigoted nut jobs.

And at the end of the day, I'm just not sure there's much of a difference.