Kansas Crimson

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:10 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:07 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:50 am
I think McCullar can get us 11-12 being in a better offensive system. And his shot had improved last season until his injury. He'll hopefully have more guys around him that can score this season.

JCL went from 14.1 ppg at ISU to 3.7 here.
Moss went from 9.2 at Iowa to 7.9 here.
Charlie Moore went from 12.2 ppg at Cal to 2.9 here.

And all those dudes were billed as scorers recruited to come in and shoot, at least more so than Kevin.

I'm not saying Kevin can't improve his scoring numbers compared to his previous season at another school, I'm just saying the historical trends suggest it isn't likely.

Now somebody guttermeter me up.

Every guy you mentioned transferred into a lesser role at KU.

McCullar is not transferring into a lesser role. Apples and oranges.

We didn't think several of those guys mentioned were transferring into the role they ended up playing in August/September of those seasons either.

I think McCullar is absolutely transferring into a different role than he had at TT. And offensively, by default, it's very likely to be a lesser role compared to his role at TT.

In a more perfect world, 2019 would have been:

Dotson
Newman
Agbaji
Lawson
Azubuike

Grimes
Garrett
De Sousa
McCormack

Although Lawson and Azubuike weren't meshing great when they did play together - Bill likely would have figured it out, but Lawson was kind of a stiff better suited for the college 5.

That team is Final Four-worthy, though.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:25 am CB and Och absolutely destroyed you. National Champs. First Round.

CB ruined Q. He hasn't been the same since. On any parts of the bored.

None of those evals were very accurate. If Moss was an NBA prospect then 97% of our scholarship players are also.

AlOerter wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:29 am McCullar has something those other transfers didn't have. Tough D. I think Bill cares more about that from him than points.

Bingo.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 12:09 pmIf Moss was an NBA prospect then 97% of our scholarship players are also.

Well that's kind of like saying, in any given season, 12/13 scholarship players at KU are NBA prospects. Which, that's not too far off.

But, I never heard of Moss being an NBA prospect. Maybe if he was 6'8".

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 12:13 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 12:09 pmIf Moss was an NBA prospect then 97% of our scholarship players are also.

Well that's kind of like saying, in any given season, 12/13 scholarship players at KU are NBA prospects. Which, that's not too far off.

But, I never heard of Moss being an NBA prospect. Maybe if he was better at basketball.

Fyp.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:18 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:10 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:07 am

JCL went from 14.1 ppg at ISU to 3.7 here.
Moss went from 9.2 at Iowa to 7.9 here.
Charlie Moore went from 12.2 ppg at Cal to 2.9 here.

And all those dudes were billed as scorers recruited to come in and shoot, at least more so than Kevin.

I'm not saying Kevin can't improve his scoring numbers compared to his previous season at another school, I'm just saying the historical trends suggest it isn't likely.

Now somebody guttermeter me up.

Every guy you mentioned transferred into a lesser role at KU.

McCullar is not transferring into a lesser role. Apples and oranges.

extra guttery now, but that's all revisionist, after the fact.

JCL was expected to compete for a starting role, until we realized Och and CB both developed far more than expected.

Moss was being pimped as a potential NBA prospect, and had the green light to shoot on a roster that needed shooting.

Charlie Moore was supposed to be the next great Self Bulldog, until it turned out that he couldn't even beat out a freshman pg, or even stay on the floor. (thank the lord we saw him in the Elite 8 tho!)

I HOPE Kevin is ready for a big role here, and even HOPE his numbers blow up...but as a famous poster says, that and $2.25 gets you a ride on the Chicago bus.

"Supposed to be" according to a bunch of fans on social media. You're comparing after the fact data to before the fact speculation by people who don't know anything.

McCullar has averaged 10 ppg on 30mpg in a dog shit offense. If he plays 30 mpg at KU, I have great confidence that he will average double digits easily.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:14 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:12 am I hope so.

If we end up with another season of guards who can't or don't shoot, but rather just stand stationary around the perimeter hoping for some angle to feed the post, I might just have to spend the season watching Oregon State games with the Beav instead.

I would hate to have another season of KenPom's #6 offense, led by guard scoring, and sweeping the Natty and both conference titles.

Oregon State sounds interesting though.

Damn.
When's Ousdahl's burial?

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:51 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:10 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:07 am

JCL went from 14.1 ppg at ISU to 3.7 here.
Moss went from 9.2 at Iowa to 7.9 here.
Charlie Moore went from 12.2 ppg at Cal to 2.9 here.

And all those dudes were billed as scorers recruited to come in and shoot, at least more so than Kevin.

I'm not saying Kevin can't improve his scoring numbers compared to his previous season at another school, I'm just saying the historical trends suggest it isn't likely.

Now somebody guttermeter me up.

Every guy you mentioned transferred into a lesser role at KU.

McCullar is not transferring into a lesser role. Apples and oranges.

We didn't think several of those guys mentioned were transferring into the role they ended up playing in August/September of those seasons either.

I think McCullar is absolutely transferring into a different role than he had at TT. And offensively, by default, it's very likely to be a lesser role compared to his role at TT.

McCullar was the third leading scorer at Texas Tech in each of the last 2 seasons. I don't see him being less than that this season.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:53 am In a more perfect world, 2019 would have been:

Dotson
Newman
Agbaji
Lawson
Azubuike

Grimes
Garrett
De Sousa
McCormack

Dotson
Malik
Josh Jackson
Lawson
Cheick

Azubuike
Grimes
Garrett
De Sousa
McCormack

know that new spicy sauce they put on the revamped McChicken?

you guys think I could get them to put it on the McCrow sammich too?

Dedric was kind of a weird piece. Tweener big? Could score like a stretch 4, but moved more like a 5. Dude was a great college player too, one of the best we've had, but doesn't get remembered as such.

I remember thinking of him as a rich man's Perry - basically PE if he was a little tougher and taller and wingspan and ink, and could play either front court position and/or as the lone big.

DMac was so fresh, but at least serviceable by the end of the season (though still prob not otherwise ready to start, at least by our standards, injury and the F the NCAA thread notwithstanding)

But I remember that team getting pushed around a lot. Lacking toughness and energy. Silvio could have brought both those things, been a strong fast garbage guy who runs the floor and battles in the trenches, which would have allowed Dedric to focus more on scoring rather than having to be the only big.

Even if more of a "2 big" look, maybe Silvio getting minutes would have meant fewer minutes to have to play Grimey, and Vick once the noncon ended and Vick went full Laura Bauer.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 12:09 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:25 am CB and Och absolutely destroyed you. National Champs. First Round.

CB ruined Q. He hasn't been the same since. On any parts of the bored.

None of those evals were very accurate. If Moss was an NBA prospect then 97% of our scholarship players are also.

yea, rumor has it Haunkey Taunk is the one who made Qusdahl to read the Communist Manifesto.

but, come on bro, let's face it: my 2021 eval of CB was entirely too accurate. That's what pissed you guys off so much! You didn't want to acknowledge how prone he was to stinker performances featuring timid offense and getting roasted on D, cuz you were determined to luv the good keed from western KS regardless.

The only thing I was that wrong about, was that he'd develop as much as he did. But to be fair, no one else thought that either! At the end of the day, most of you roibois were just happy enough that he didn't have any ink.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:25 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:22 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:14 am

I would hate to have another season of KenPom's #6 offense, led by guard scoring, and sweeping the Natty and both conference titles.

Oregon State sounds interesting though.

yeah, that was more of a 2021 zinger.

Might as well add VCU, UNI, Bucknell, and Bradley. Zing.

CB and Och absolutely destroyed you. National Champs. First Round.

I don't recall ever really throwing Och under the bus. Not like I did with...nm

But if I'm gonna get destroyed, then lemme just throw this hot take right to the wolves:

The most important piece to last year's tourney run was Remy.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 12:40 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 12:09 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:25 am CB and Och absolutely destroyed you. National Champs. First Round.

CB ruined Q. He hasn't been the same since. On any parts of the bored.

None of those evals were very accurate. If Moss was an NBA prospect then 97% of our scholarship players are also.

yea, rumor has it Haunkey Taunk is the one who made Qusdahl to read the Communist Manifesto.

but, come on bro, let's face it: my 2021 eval of CB was entirely too accurate. That's what pissed you guys off so much! You didn't want to acknowledge how prone he was to stinker performances featuring timid offense and getting roasted on D, cuz you were determined to luv the good keed from western KS regardless.

The only thing I was that wrong about, was that he'd develop as much as he did. But to be fair, no one else thought that either! At the end of the day, most of you roibois were just happy enough that he didn't have any ink.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 12:42 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:25 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:22 am

yeah, that was more of a 2021 zinger.

Might as well add VCU, UNI, Bucknell, and Bradley. Zing.

CB and Och absolutely destroyed you. National Champs. First Round.

I don't recall ever really throwing Och under the bus. Not like I did with...nm

But if I'm gonna get destroyed, then lemme just throw this hot take right to the wolves:

The most important piece to last year's tourney run was Remy.

Remy was always the last piece of the puzzle. The cherry on top to get us over the last bump. But as far as importance, I'm not sure it was more important than having Ochai, and CB, play like pro prospects all season.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 12:42 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:25 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:22 am

yeah, that was more of a 2021 zinger.

Might as well add VCU, UNI, Bucknell, and Bradley. Zing.

CB and Och absolutely destroyed you. National Champs. First Round.

I don't recall ever really throwing Och under the bus. Not like I did with...nm

But if I'm gonna get destroyed, then lemme just throw this hot take right to the wolves:

The most important piece to last year's tourney run was Remy.

That's not exactly a hot take if you come in after the fact and limit it to when the tourney started.

yea, exactly, he was the one to get us over the last bump. And in the context of a 6 game winning streak in late March and early April, that last bump is everything.

Otherwise, we got another nice enough collection of really-good-but-not-great college players who are still pretty much the same lineup that got absolutely slaughtered by USC in the second round last year, and who were all too prone to getting punked by Creighton in the second round again this year, if not for that last piece of the puzzle, the piece last year lacked, namely that critical guy who can just go get us some buckets.

Not to mention the natty itself. You think we win it all counting on Dajuan to hit those step back 3's down the stretch?

And, offensively the whole team played better when we had a guard who's a threat to score too. I don't even wanna think about how those games would have ended up with opposing defensive schemes doubling down on daring our guys to shoot, rather than having to adjust as soon as Remy checks in.

so, thank the lord for Remy, and for getting healthy just in time for the postseason. Without him, I legit worry about yet another early out, and that you guys woulda spent the whole offseason here wondering if Qusdahl was right after all.

the close close second, maybe first, 1A acceptable answer here is Dave, if for no other reason than he was the only legit D1 big on the team, and you need one of them too.

In the context of this thread:

Are we cool with Kevin getting big minutes for his D, if it’s at the expense of Gradey and his shooting?

Though they aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

But may be if we amend it to “Kevin and KJ” or something

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:25 pm In the context of this thread:

Are we cool with Kevin getting big minutes for his D, if it’s at the expense of Gradey and his shooting?

Though they aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

But may be if we amend it to “Kevin and KJ” or something

This is why I am bull-ish on McCullar possibly leading the team in minutes. He can play 1-4 on both sides of the ball. No matter who has an off-night, you know that McCullar is going to play good defense, can handle the ball if needed, and being a vet, probably going to be more reliable than the underclassman.

Garrett was 32-33 mpg his last 2 seasons. I see KM in the low 30's.