2024

[jfish26]

i will concern with the young voters when they turn dispensary's and arcades into voting precincts.

thats about all the young people are motivated to do.

I hope that you and people like you keep right on thinking this way. One of the only reasons I’m hopeful that the right’s authoritarian play will ultimately fail is this sort of complacency and shitty assumptions.

Haven’t dems also used “the right’s authoritarian play” as another one of those carrrots for like a while now?

What exactly is their plan to protect and expand voting rights, and when exactly are they gonna do it?

I'm not sure carrot-and-stick makes any sense here?

[ousdahl]

I just meant it as, dems make a lot of campaign promises; a lot of “abortion rights/voting rights/(copy-and-paste cause as needed) are in peril if you don’t vote for us!”

But then, even if and when they’re in power, they just don’t seem to do much about much.

Or, maybe I’m wrong. I’d be pleased to be wrong, and actually dems are taking robust measures toward abortion/voting/other rights to counter the conservative gutting of those rights otherwise.

That’s why I asked. Please, tell me I’m wrong!

[MICHHAWK]

no. you're not wrong. the party of "anything goes" mostly just tells you what you want to hear. and then follows through on almost nothing.

[MICHHAWK]

the young people lap that $#!t right up. they don't know any better.

be interesting to see if uncle joe campaigns again on the same failed promises he made in 20. might as well. the young people will suck it right up again.

[ousdahl]

be interesting to see if uncle joe campaigns again on the same failed promises he made in 20.

Heck, it’s debatable whether he even followed thru on “at least I’m not Trump”

[jhawks99]

no. you're not wrong. the party of "anything goes" mostly just tells you what you want to hear. and then follows through on almost nothing.

I'm not really a fan of the republican party either. I'm thankful that Uncle Joe keeps his campaign promises.

[MICHHAWK]

my pastor says he is even worse.

[jfish26]

the young people lap that $#!t right up. they don't know any better.

be interesting to see if uncle joe campaigns again on the same failed promises he made in 20. might as well. the young people will suck it right up again.

Walk us through some of those "failed promises."

[defixione]

my pastor says he is even worse.

Why am I not surprised?

[ousdahl]

the young people lap that $#!t right up. they don't know any better.

be interesting to see if uncle joe campaigns again on the same failed promises he made in 20. might as well. the young people will suck it right up again.

Walk us through some of those "failed promises."

Without keeping tabs on what constitutes a “promise,” he’s far more pro-oil, pro-cop, pro-do nothing of substance about abortion, even when dems were in control, while the gop gutted abortion rights anyway

Among other things…

[jfish26]

the young people lap that $#!t right up. they don't know any better.

be interesting to see if uncle joe campaigns again on the same failed promises he made in 20. might as well. the young people will suck it right up again.

Walk us through some of those "failed promises."

Without keeping tabs on what constitutes a “promise,” he’s far more pro-oil, pro-cop, pro-do nothing of substance about abortion, even when dems were in control, while the gop gutted abortion rights anyway

Among other things…

I'm sorry, this is gibberish.

If MICH (or anyone else) wants to talk about "failed promises", let's talk about them. Which starts with identifying them.

Because what this thread is about is the 2024 election. At the moment, the choice appears to be Biden vs. Trump. Not Biden vs. [Perfect Hypothetical Candidate].

[twocoach]

my pastor says he is even worse.

He also says it's normal for kids to sit on his lap during private meetings in his office so...

[twocoach]

I just meant it as, dems make a lot of campaign promises; a lot of “abortion rights/voting rights/(copy-and-paste cause as needed) are in peril if you don’t vote for us!”

But then, even if and when they’re in power, they just don’t seem to do much about much.

Or, maybe I’m wrong. I’d be pleased to be wrong, and actually dems are taking robust measures toward abortion/voting/other rights to counter the conservative gutting of those rights otherwise.

That’s why I asked. Please, tell me I’m wrong!

Being at 50-50 and holding the tiebreaker doesn't mean you're "in power". Many things need more than just the majority to pass.

[zsn]

Ousie - you’re wrong: meet Obamacare, student loan forgiveness and The Great Southern Border Wall.

Hint: one of those is not like the others.

[TDub]

Walk us through some of those "failed promises."

Without keeping tabs on what constitutes a “promise,” he’s far more pro-oil, pro-cop, pro-do nothing of substance about abortion, even when dems were in control, while the gop gutted abortion rights anyway

Among other things…

I'm sorry, this is gibberish.

If MICH (or anyone else) wants to talk about "failed promises", let's talk about them. Which starts with identifying them.

Because what this thread is about is the 2024 election. At the moment, the choice appears to be Biden vs. Trump. Not Biden vs. [Perfect Hypothetical Candidate].

ugh....quit reminding me

[Sparko]

Implacable. Nirvana is right where you are, provided that you don’t object to it.

[TDub]

blah blah blah if you're actually happy with those choices that says more about you than about me.

[ousdahl]

Walk us through some of those "failed promises."

Without keeping tabs on what constitutes a “promise,” he’s far more pro-oil, pro-cop, pro-do nothing of substance about abortion, even when dems were in control, while the gop gutted abortion rights anyway

Among other things…

I'm sorry, this is gibberish.

If MICH (or anyone else) wants to talk about "failed promises", let's talk about them. Which starts with identifying them.

Because what this thread is about is the 2024 election. At the moment, the choice appears to be Biden vs. Trump. Not Biden vs. [Perfect Hypothetical Candidate].

I'm sorry, but how is it gibberish?

I DID identify three different issues that I think qualify as "failed promises." I think he's overpromised and underdelivered on climate action, criminal justice, and abortion rights.

so do you really wanna talk about them, or just knee-jerk ignore them as gibberish?

but, yea, 2024 is shaping up to be yet another lesser-of-two-evils, ain't it. It's less about actually picking a candidate whose platform you believe in, and more about holding yer nose and picking a side and cheering it on like some sports team fandom. Two party politics is allsome.

[ousdahl]

Ousie - you’re wrong: meet Obamacare, student loan forgiveness and The Great Southern Border Wall.

Hint: one of those is not like the others.

well which is it, CoyDC?

is it that The Great Southern Border Wall, more than the other two issues, has yielded headlines like, "Biden criticized for continuing draconian Trump-era policies?"

[zsn]

Obama, Biden and Trump ran on those as campaign promises. The first two did something about their promises, although the Republicans can’t allow people to benefit, so they had the crooks on the SCOTUS overturn the loan forgiveness. As for The Great Southern Border Wall………..Bannon fleeced the rubes and Trump pardoned him, preventing him from becoming someone’s prison spouse.