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Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:25 pm
by Overlander
Cascadia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:45 pm
NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:35 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:34 pm
Extrapolating from the 281 known DNA exonerations in the US since the late 1980s, a conservative estimate is that 1% of the US prison population, approximately 20,000 people, are falsely convicted
fuckem
While horrible and inexcusable, I wonder what the percentage is of people who have committed heinous crimes and never spent a day in jail. I'm guessing upwards of 20%.
Probably all in Chicago next to your place
Right before his very, almost, could have been, eyes.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:35 pm
by Deleted User 887
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:25 pm
Cascadia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:45 pm
NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:35 pm
While horrible and inexcusable, I wonder what the percentage is of people who have committed heinous crimes and never spent a day in jail. I'm guessing upwards of 20%.
Probably all in Chicago next to your place
Right before his very, almost, could have been, eyes.
Cool! I'm still fodder for fat guy boat boy and Cascadia to have purpose in their lives by being assholes on a message board. Isn't life just grand?
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:13 pm
by Overlander
NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:35 pm
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:25 pm
Cascadia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:45 pm
Probably all in Chicago next to your place
Right before his very, almost, could have been, eyes.
Cool! I'm still fodder for fat guy boat boy and Cascadia to have purpose in their lives by being assholes on a message board. Isn't life just grand?
Fat guy boat boy.
Awesome.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:37 pm
by Deleted User 89
NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:35 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:34 pm
Extrapolating from the 281 known DNA exonerations in the US since the late 1980s, a conservative estimate is that 1% of the US prison population, approximately 20,000 people, are falsely convicted
fuckem
While horrible and inexcusable, I wonder what the percentage is of people who have committed heinous crimes and never spent a day in jail. I'm guessing upwards of 20%.
depends what you would classify as heinous
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:38 pm
by Deleted User 89
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:52 pm
by Deleted User 887
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:37 pm
NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:35 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:34 pm
Extrapolating from the 281 known DNA exonerations in the US since the late 1980s, a conservative estimate is that 1% of the US prison population, approximately 20,000 people, are falsely convicted
fuckem
While horrible and inexcusable, I wonder what the percentage is of people who have committed heinous crimes and never spent a day in jail. I'm guessing upwards of 20%.
depends what you would classify as heinous
Good point. I was thinking along the lines of rape, child molestation, and murder but I suppose I should expand my list of "heinous" crimes to include many if not most felonies that physically, mentally, and financially harm others.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:09 pm
by ChalkRocker
NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:35 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:34 pm
Extrapolating from the 281 known DNA exonerations in the US since the late 1980s, a conservative estimate is that 1% of the US prison population, approximately 20,000 people, are falsely convicted
fuckem
While horrible and inexcusable, I wonder what the percentage is of people who have committed heinous crimes and never spent a day in jail. I'm guessing upwards of 20%.
This is a deflection from the point.
That others walk freely who properly belong behind bars has NO bearing on the injustice of an improperly convicted person being behind bars.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:14 pm
by Deleted User 887
ChalkRocker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:09 pm
NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:35 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:34 pm
Extrapolating from the 281 known DNA exonerations in the US since the late 1980s, a conservative estimate is that 1% of the US prison population, approximately 20,000 people, are falsely convicted
fuckem
While horrible and inexcusable, I wonder what the percentage is of people who have committed heinous crimes and never spent a day in jail. I'm guessing upwards of 20%.
This is a deflection from the point.
That others walk freely who properly belong behind bars has NO bearing on the injustice of an improperly convicted person being behind bars.
Deflection or not, as I said, I feel it's horrible and inexcusable - when a person is convicted and put behind bars when they are/were innocent.
Unfortunately I somewhat disagree on the bearing and feel in some cases if those who are guilty of committing crimes were convicted, less innocent people would be accused of committing crimes they didn't commit.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:19 pm
by ChalkRocker
"[D]isagree on the bearing" means what?
And "more guilty-incarcerated in some cases means fewer not-guilty-incarcerated" is something you're pulling out of yr a**, in order to rationalize yr deflection.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:25 pm
by Deleted User 863
What a strange thing to try to argue about.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:31 pm
by ChalkRocker
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:25 pm
What a strange thing to try to argue about.
If you don't care about a straightforward and clear distinction b/w two types of injustice, I suppose it might seem so.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:36 pm
by Deleted User 863
ChalkRocker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:31 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:25 pm
What a strange thing to try to argue about.
If you don't care about a straightforward and clear distinction b/w two types of injustice, I suppose it might seem so.
It's a topic worthy of discussion, but strange to go at someone over their opinion on something as subjective as the statement he made.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:44 pm
by Deleted User 887
ChalkRocker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:19 pm
"[D]isagree on the bearing" means what?
And "more guilty-incarcerated in some cases means fewer not-guilty-incarcerated" is something you're pulling out of yr a**, in order to rationalize yr deflection.
k
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:44 pm
by ChalkRocker
clever
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:45 pm
by ChalkRocker
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:36 pm
ChalkRocker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:31 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:25 pm
What a strange thing to try to argue about.
If you don't care about a straightforward and clear distinction b/w two types of injustice, I suppose it might seem so.
It's a topic worthy of discussion, but strange to go at someone over their opinion on something as subjective as the statement he made.
nope. not subjective.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:01 am
by TDub
Wtf is wrong with some of you? Do you get some sort enjoyment out of ganging up on people and throwing ugliness for no purpose? All while preaching tolerance and acceptance and rainbows and butterflies across the rest of the board. What are you, the cops of Kcrim? Your clique makes this place less enjoyable than it should be.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:24 am
by ChalkRocker
"ugliness"? "ganging up"?
I disagreed w/ someone. All by myself. No names called. No exclamation points. No all-caps.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:42 am
by CrimsonNBlue
NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:14 pm
ChalkRocker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:09 pm
NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:35 pm
While horrible and inexcusable, I wonder what the percentage is of people who have committed heinous crimes and never spent a day in jail. I'm guessing upwards of 20%.
This is a deflection from the point.
That others walk freely who properly belong behind bars has NO bearing on the injustice of an improperly convicted person being behind bars.
Deflection or not, as I said, I feel it's horrible and inexcusable - when a person is convicted and put behind bars when they are/were innocent.
Unfortunately I somewhat disagree on the bearing and feel in some cases if those who are guilty of committing crimes were convicted, less innocent people would be accused of committing crimes they didn't commit.
That's something we can live with to the extent it is part of the overall policy of not overcharging/convicting and wrongly imprisoning people. Those are the types of things that separate us from our less-evolved ancient ancestors.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:49 am
by ChalkRocker
Yep. Hence the fundamental, aspirational requirement that all elements of a crime be proven beyond any and all reasonable doubt.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:32 am
by ousdahl
^^^^
