Kansas Crimson

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:23 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sfire.html

mjl2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:16 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:23 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sfire.html

"Killed hundreds"

They're still taking Hamas at their word.

mjl2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:16 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:23 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sfire.html

"Killed hundreds"

They're still taking Hamas at their word.

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:04 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:58 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:44 pm
A passed UN resolution does what specifically?
Are you under the impression that either side would honor it?

From 2009: https://www.npr.org/2009/01/09/99175040 ... -fire-call

"Israel and Hamas have ignored a U.N. Security Council call for an immediate cease-fire. Israel continued attacks in Gaza and Hamas kept up with its rocketing of Israel. Meanwhile, U.N. officials said they plan to resume aid to Gaza as soon as practical."

The fact that Russia still has a permanent (unelected) seat on the UN's Security Council is a good gauge for how seriously to take it at the moment.

100% Agreed.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:58 pm The fact that Russia still has a permanent (unelected) seat on the UN's Security Council is a good gauge for how seriously to take it at the moment.

Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:25 pm From the Israeli Defense Forces
Oct 18, 2023
WARNING: This video contains extremely graphic footage recovered from the Hamas invasion and massacre in southern Israel on October 7th, 2023.

GRAPHIC RAW FOOTAGE: Massacre Across Israel From the Eyes of Hamas

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:06 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:41 pm Man, how am I an example of the consequences of irresponsible reporting?

Cuz I tried for a “roll with it” floating the idea that maybe the nation that even mjl and DC don’t deny bombs hospitals, might suddenly NOT be the ones who bombed a hospital?

And what’s the evidence of Israel’s regard for civilian casualties? That the offer a warning before doing things like bomb hospitals?

(And residences. And UN schools. And pay no mind to all the civilians who say they never received any warning.)

Fish what’s your reaction to the ICC and UN stuff?

On this topic and on Ukraine, you do this thing where you kick up a cloud of dust as a way to avoid or obscure a very simple point.

Yesterday, you said this:

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:43 pm Man, all that “hospital damage was Hamas” seems once again pretty gaslighty. as if Israel is NOT indiscriminately bombing the fuck out of Gaza either way.

By describing the notion of Hamas' potential role in damaging the hospital as something that "seems once again pretty gaslighty," you (once again, if you like that phrase) adopt unsubstantiated talking points that are favorable to the aggressor's side of the conflict.

That's the same thing as what you do on Ukraine things, when people (correctly) point out that you routinely adopt pro-Putin talking points (for example, leaving room for at least partial justification for Russia's aggression, because nazis or something).

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:43 pm You are wrong to compare this situation to Ukraine in this way.

And then today, you said this:

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:59 am It’d be nice if journalists would do more actual journalism here, rather than taking these “well one (obviously biased) source says…” sorts of hot takes and running with it.

Can you not see that you fell yesterday for the "sorts of hot takes" that today you are warning us against?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:06 pm you do this thing where you kick up a cloud of dust as a way to avoid or obscure a very simple point.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:08 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:06 pm you do this thing where you kick up a cloud of dust as a way to avoid or obscure a very simple point.

bro prove to me it's not actually YOU trying to obscure very simple points, and stop dodging this one:

what do you think of the UN comparing Palestine to South Africa? And even saying Palestine has a right to resist its occupiers, with armed struggle if necessary?

lemme guess: you'd rather just go full michhawk about the UN, like is already happening here?

and, bonus points for this other one you've avoided:

what do you think of Israel refusing to sign the Rome statue out of concerns the ICC might try to prosecute them?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:58 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:06 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:41 pm Man, how am I an example of the consequences of irresponsible reporting?

Cuz I tried for a “roll with it” floating the idea that maybe the nation that even mjl and DC don’t deny bombs hospitals, might suddenly NOT be the ones who bombed a hospital?

And what’s the evidence of Israel’s regard for civilian casualties? That the offer a warning before doing things like bomb hospitals?

(And residences. And UN schools. And pay no mind to all the civilians who say they never received any warning.)

Fish what’s your reaction to the ICC and UN stuff?

On this topic and on Ukraine, you do this thing where you kick up a cloud of dust as a way to avoid or obscure a very simple point.

Yesterday, you said this:

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:43 pm Man, all that “hospital damage was Hamas” seems once again pretty gaslighty. as if Israel is NOT indiscriminately bombing the fuck out of Gaza either way.

By describing the notion of Hamas' potential role in damaging the hospital as something that "seems once again pretty gaslighty," you (once again, if you like that phrase) adopt unsubstantiated talking points that are favorable to the aggressor's side of the conflict.

I tried for a “roll with it” floating the idea that maybe the nation that even mjl and DC don’t deny bombs hospitals, might suddenly NOT be the ones who bombed a hospital?

please don't act like I'm going pro-Hamas just cuz you're so willing to beer bong anything Israel claims as undisputed fact, especially when there's LOTS of precedent here, specifically even of Israel bombing hospitals!

I’m not saying you ARE pro-Hamas. I’m saying Hamas would read a lot of what you post and think you’re pro-Hamas.

That's the same thing as what you do on Ukraine things, when people (correctly) point out that you routinely adopt pro-Putin talking points (for example, leaving room for at least partial justification for Russia's aggression, because nazis or something).

this you?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:43 pm You are wrong to compare this situation to Ukraine in this way.

(and again, I'm just not sure anyone's correctly pointed out much of anything about Russia and Ukraine)

I didn’t say there aren’t comparisons to be made. I said, in a specific context, that you were wrong to compare a specific situation to Ukraine in the specific way you did it.

And then today, you said this:

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:59 am It’d be nice if journalists would do more actual journalism here, rather than taking these “well one (obviously biased) source says…” sorts of hot takes and running with it.

Can you not see that you fell yesterday for the "sorts of hot takes" that today you are warning us against?

precisely what "hot take" do you think I fell for?

please be specific.

It was right there in the post you’ve been trying to kick up dust to run away from! You described reports of Hamas’ potential responsibility for the hospital explosion/fire as “pretty gaslighty”. You also described Israel as bombing Gaza “indiscriminately,” and that sort of hyperbole is quite clearly hot-takey.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:25 pm Nice cloud of dust bro.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:05 pm what are the odds the middle east blow’s it’s self off the map. wouldn’t that be cool.