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Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:00 am
by jfish26
Happy N/I/L day everyone! Very excited to unwrap my presents here in a few minutes. Really hope I don't get coal!*
* "Coal" means a stalling, half-assed half-measure, likely indicated by excessive committification and mealy-mouthed, imprecise adminibabble.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:22 am
by pdub
"For example, the regulators might determine through market research that the fair value of an athlete appearing on a 30-second radio commercial for a local restaurant is somewhere between $5,000 and $10,000. If a restaurant owner instead offers to pay the new star quarterback at his local college $100,000 to appear in a commercial, the regulators will say that the price is clearly overvalued and intended to reward the player's athletic ability and entice future recruits."
This is gonna be a nightmare and just allow boosters to funnel money in unlimited channels. OK so the max for a TV commercial is 15k, cool, we are gonna shoot 6 TV commercials.
Here's hoping the G League keeps getting more lucrative.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:32 am
by jfish26
Not sure what that’s from. If that’s real, my god what a stupid idea.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:22 am
by Deleted User 310
The ncaa should have nothing to do with regulating what should be a free market that they have no authority to rule over. They should just make sure the schools themselves aren't paying the players and leave it at that. They are not capable of enforcing the laundry list of overreaching rules already in place.
And to be honest, most of the NIL money is not going to be small local car dealerships. That's way overblown. It is and will continue to be the shoe companies who have interest in the athletes because they're in the athletic business.
Small local businesses spending tons of money for college players to be in commercials just won't happen that often. Otherwise it would already be happening with athletes right after they graduate, and I rarely if ever have seen it.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:47 am
by CrimsonNBlue
That happens a lot with KU players.
And, it will happen more elsewhere once nil passes.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:50 am
by jfish26
Oh good, it's going to be mealy-mouthed, imprecise adminibabble:
So - how, precisely, is this not an ENORMOUS advantage for big market schools? It is incontrovertibly true that the larger a local market, the more "valuable" a player's name, image and likeness.
But not really - if a player doesn't sign on, he doesn't get the benefits and can't be in the games. You don't need a union for that.
Mmhmm, ok.
Yep.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:05 am
by Deleted User 310
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:47 am
That happens a lot with KU players.
And, it will happen more elsewhere once nil passes.
I would have to see what "a lot" means....I see very little of it from IL businesses with former athletes from various colleges, but I do see it occasionally.
Kansas/Lawrence is a bit unique in that the community really embraces the school (more than just about every single college in the country), so I'm certain it occurs there more frequently that other places, but is that so bad? Let the market decide. The businesses aren't suddenly going to prioritize their local school getting good players over their personal profits. At some point there will be a line where it's not worth it to them. The market will determine that.
It's not like they're going to be paying very many (if any) players 100k for a 45second commercial appearance that only plays locally....and I just have a hard time believing national companies are going to choose to pick college players over professional players, except in the unique situations like a Zion type and they don't come along every year.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:07 am
by Deleted User 310
Treat them like regular students if they are students.
Let them advertise on instagram. Have a youtube show, etc. It's not hurting anybody. And it's separate of the school.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:07 am
by jfish26
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:05 am
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:47 am
That happens a lot with KU players.
And, it will happen more elsewhere once nil passes.
I would have to see what "a lot" means....I see very little of it from IL businesses with former athletes from various colleges, but I do see it occasionally.
Kansas/Lawrence is a bit unique in that the community really embraces the school (more than just about every single college in the country), so I'm certain it occurs there more frequently that other places, but is that so bad? Let the market decide. The businesses aren't suddenly going to prioritize their local school getting good players over their personal profits. At some point there will be a line where it's not worth it to them. The market will determine that.
It's not like they're going to be paying very many (if any) players 100k for a 45second commercial appearance that only plays locally....and I just have a hard time believing national companies are going to choose to pick college players over professional players, except in the unique situations like a Zion type and they don't come along every year.
I don't disagree, but if Billy Preston is worth $90k...
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:09 am
by Deleted User 310
jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:07 am
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:05 am
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:47 am
That happens a lot with KU players.
And, it will happen more elsewhere once nil passes.
I would have to see what "a lot" means....I see very little of it from IL businesses with former athletes from various colleges, but I do see it occasionally.
Kansas/Lawrence is a bit unique in that the community really embraces the school (more than just about every single college in the country), so I'm certain it occurs there more frequently that other places, but is that so bad? Let the market decide. The businesses aren't suddenly going to prioritize their local school getting good players over their personal profits. At some point there will be a line where it's not worth it to them. The market will determine that.
It's not like they're going to be paying very many (if any) players 100k for a 45second commercial appearance that only plays locally....and I just have a hard time believing national companies are going to choose to pick college players over professional players, except in the unique situations like a Zion type and they don't come along every year.
I don't disagree, but if Billy Preston is worth $90k...
Right....but that's for a year or 2 of "employment".... and again, paid by the shoe companies. Not a local car dealership or the salty iguana.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:10 am
by Deleted User 310
I've seen this statement thrown around a lot during covid...
"The cure can't be worse than the disease."
Right now the NCAAs cure is worse than the disease.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:37 am
by pdub
The problem is that likely more often than not, these channels will just be ways to pay a college athlete to play basketball at the university rather than actually providing a service worth the value.
If Phil Knight has 5 of the top recruits star in a 15 second spot and pays them each 80k, I don't think that the return of that spot is even considered, it's more a way to get the top 5 recruits 80k.
And now college players will be more focused on earning these endorsements throughout the year.
It's a meh from me.
Come on G League.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:52 am
by jfish26
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:37 am
The problem is that likely more often than not, these channels will just be ways to pay a college athlete to play basketball at the university rather than actually providing a service worth the value.
If Phil Knight has 5 of the top recruits star in a 15 second spot and pays them each 80k, I don't think that the return of that spot is even considered, it's more a way to get the top 5 recruits 80k.
And now college players will be more focused on earning these endorsements throughout the year.
It's a meh from me.
Come on G League.
This is a great example of how twisted around this issue has you: you are now expressing concern for a
billionaire's welfare.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:54 am
by pdub
No, you are misunderstanding.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:55 am
by pdub
I don't care if x,y,z booster looses money.
It's just that the purpose of the channel isn't to enhance their particular business, which is normally the case, this is just a thinly disguised way of boosters working with athletic departments to get their programs the best guys.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:00 am
by PhDhawk
The primary opposition is that it'll be used as a recruiting tool.
Why not just restrict freshmen, and then after that, earn all you can for nil.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:01 am
by jfish26
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:00 am
The primary opposition is that it'll be used as a recruiting tool.
Why not just restrict freshmen, and then after that, earn all you can for nil.
Because without freshmen, there are no sophomores, juniors and seniors.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:10 am
by Cascadia
jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:01 am
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:00 am
The primary opposition is that it'll be used as a recruiting tool.
Why not just restrict freshmen, and then after that, earn all you can for nil.
Because without freshmen, there are no sophomores, juniors and seniors.
Why stop at Freshman? I can’t wait to see 6 year old AAU teams being paid $60k a game by Phil Knight.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:12 am
by pdub
jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:01 am
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:00 am
The primary opposition is that it'll be used as a recruiting tool.
Why not just restrict freshmen, and then after that, earn all you can for nil.
Because without freshmen, there are no sophomores, juniors and seniors.
College basketball will still be entertaining without the top 50-100 high schoolers.
In fact, there may be more upperclassmen, which I'm down with.
I watch college basketball ( and a lot of people watch college sports in general ) because of the school/the program and not because I want to see one year of Andrew Wiggins before he plays the rest of his career for the Timberwolves.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:14 am
by ousdahl
Cheering for the G League as if its growth will be a good thing for college ball seems pretty cut off your nose to spite your face-y.