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jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:43 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:52 am

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:43 am How will SCOTUS kick the donnie decision down the road?

They didn't; we now have kings as President who can do whatever they want under the guise of it being an "official act" of their Presidency.

Which means the ONLY protection that remains, is the ballot box. And that protection might become a nullity next January.

The MICHs of the world can joke about protest votes and gas prices and what the fuck ever until the cows come home.

No person who genuinely loves America can vote for anyone but Biden this November. Any other vote is a vote for a king.

If Biden isn't on the ballot I'm not voting for him.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:11 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:43 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:52 am

They didn't; we now have kings as President who can do whatever they want under the guise of it being an "official act" of their Presidency.

Which means the ONLY protection that remains, is the ballot box. And that protection might become a nullity next January.

The MICHs of the world can joke about protest votes and gas prices and what the fuck ever until the cows come home.

No person who genuinely loves America can vote for anyone but Biden this November. Any other vote is a vote for a king.

If Biden isn't on the ballot I'm not voting for him.

Fine. But I think he will be - frankly, while this holding is (and as Loper was) a five alarm fire for democracy, it's an enormous gift to the Biden campaign.

Absolutely cannot let these justices back into the building. The corrupt non-recusals, the bribery, the refusal to police themselves, the countermanding today of the Constitution as written, no less, requires them to go. My fist immune official act would be to dismiss them.

And how sacred is the ballot box to a corrupt and rogue court? They have subverted democracy too. I cannot expect them to respect the actual will of voters ever again.

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:26 pm Absolutely cannot let these justices back into the building. The corrupt non-recusals, the bribery, the refusal to police themselves, the countermanding today of the Constitution as written, no less, requires them to go. My fist immune official act would be to dismiss them.

The problem - well, one of the MANY problems - is that what the Court has done here is to create effective, unlimited immunity, so long as the person seeking cover is on the right team.

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:27 pm And how sacred is the ballot box to a corrupt and rogue court? They have subverted democracy too. I cannot expect them to respect the actual will of voters ever again.

It's not. That's why I say the ONLY remaining check on Trumpism is THIS election. Whatever guardrails remain, you can expect those to be scrapped on day one.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:28 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:26 pm Absolutely cannot let these justices back into the building. The corrupt non-recusals, the bribery, the refusal to police themselves, the countermanding today of the Constitution as written, no less, requires them to go. My fist immune official act would be to dismiss them.

The problem - well, one of the MANY problems - is that what the Court has done here is to create effective, unlimited immunity, so long as the person seeking cover is on the right team.

That is why you need to arrest the seditious team. This has gone far enough

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:29 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:27 pm And how sacred is the ballot box to a corrupt and rogue court? They have subverted democracy too. I cannot expect them to respect the actual will of voters ever again.

It's not. That's why I say the ONLY remaining check on Trumpism is THIS election. Whatever guardrails remain, you can expect those to be scrapped on day one.

Fish, they will interfere in THIS election. They'll find Bush V. Bore level reason to upend it. Their jobs are at stake.

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:31 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:29 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:27 pm And how sacred is the ballot box to a corrupt and rogue court? They have subverted democracy too. I cannot expect them to respect the actual will of voters ever again.

It's not. That's why I say the ONLY remaining check on Trumpism is THIS election. Whatever guardrails remain, you can expect those to be scrapped on day one.

Fish, they will interfere in THIS election. They'll find Bush V. Bore level reason to upend it. Their jobs are at stake.

I don't disagree with you - but the only insulation, then, is on the literal margins.

The more I think about it, the more I am astonished at the specific result of the holding.

It is NOT, "the President has immunity." It is, "the President has immunity, if and when we want him to."

The events of the last week, in particular, make this unquestionably the most activist, most power-hungry Court in American history.

Which makes it the least conservative Court in American history.

To the MICHs of the world: calling oneself a Republican doesn't make someone a conservative.

ugh a real time unfolding of the demise of a nation as we know it. Not good.

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:13 pm ugh a real time unfolding of the demise of a nation as we know it. Not good.

It's only good if it finally causes Joe HVAC Company Owner or Mike Hedge Fund Manager to realize that this shit is simply NOT worth shaving a couple points off his tax bill.

i'll vote for the wastepaperbasket first. the wastepaperbasket has 4.5 more years in it. old uncle don't.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:27 pm i'll vote for the wastepaperbasket first. the wastepaperbasket has 4.5 more years in it. old uncle don't.

Ok. This is the antidemocratic, pro-Russian view.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:06 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:27 pm i'll vote for the wastepaperbasket first. the wastepaperbasket has 4.5 more years in it. old uncle don't.

Ok. This is the antidemocratic, pro-Russian view.

well, as far as I know, a waste paper basket isn't on the ballot. Though, undoubtedly it may get a million votes or more if it were.

Fuck the SCOTUS.
Here is a crazy idea. Let's stop letting assholes nominate justices. Let's stop letting assholes vote on the nominations/appointments. Let's stop assholes from serving in/on the Supreme Court.
No, I don't have any better ideas or suggestions.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 5:08 pm Fuck the SCOTUS.
Here is a crazy idea. Let's stop letting assholes nominate justices. Let's stop letting assholes vote on the nominations/appointments. Let's stop assholes from serving in/on the Supreme Court.
No, I don't have any better ideas or suggestions.

A very good first step would be for every network and newspaper left of Fox to treat this as the crossing of the Rubicon - this, finally, is what justifies coverage that is oriented toward the stakes, not the odds, which means no more double standards. Trumpism represents the gravest threat to our democracy in at LEAST generations, and it is time we stopped pretending otherwise.

That would be somewhat dishonest: the line was crossed quite some time ago.

But it's better late than never, and democracy can die in the goddamn daylight just as easily as it can under cover of darkness.

So if Biden were to determine via consultation with DOJ and the DNI that trumpty plumpty and a few SC justices and a few Senators were a threat to democracy and send in SEAL Team Six, that seems like official biness.

Where is Dark Brandon when we need him?

japhy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 5:24 pm So if Biden were to determine via consultation with DOJ and the DNI that trumpty plumpty and a few SC justices and a few Senators were a threat to democracy and send in SEAL Team Six, that seems like official biness.

Where is Dark Brandon when we need him?

But that's exactly the trap door: the Court did NOT say that all presidents have immunity for any particular list of acts. Biden does that, and he ends up in Gitmo. Thomas will take him to the airport in a nice RV, and Alito will put him on private jet.

The Court conferred upon ITSELF the sole power to determine whether acts are or are not immune. Just as the Court conferred upon ITSELF the sole power to determine whether executive agency acts are or are not permissible.

Every. Single. Conservative. Should. Be. Howling.

But under my scenario Thomas, Roberts and Alito are gone and have no say in this. The newly appointed SC might see it Biden's way.