Kansas Crimson

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:06 pm if they had better employment opportunities elsewhere they would go...and they do, often.. They would be replaced by new employees...and they are, often. Strikes dont work on jobs that have the high turnover rates seen in fast food workers and jobs without "skill"....I know you get hung up on unskilled.....but...you can train a new person at McDonald's in a couple shifts. Its not like the corporation needs to keep these specific employees....any employee will do.

Correct on all counts.

again, I think the question should be less "how quickly can you train for this position," and more "how much value does this position create?"

I'd imagine a veteran burger flipper can be more productive than a rookie burger flipper, sure. Or, maybe, since the position is so damn easy, there isn't such a huge correlation between experience and productivity after all. But either way, how productive IS that position?

or perhaps, how much productivity out of this unskilled position would you expect to warrant treating the position as more valuable than some entry level thing? Is that job still only worth $8 bucks an hour to you if it nets $500 worth of Big Macs? or $1000? Or at what level of productivity?

If a burger flipper makes $1000 worth of Big Macs in an hour but only gets paid $8, where's that other $992 go? Yea there's business expenses, but at the end of the day the bulk of the value generated by that labor is going to everything BUT the laborer, right?

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:06 pm if they had better employment opportunities elsewhere they would go...and they do, often.. They would be replaced by new employees...and they are, often. Strikes dont work on jobs that have the high turnover rates seen in fast food workers and jobs without "skill"....I know you get hung up on unskilled.....but...you can train a new person at McDonald's in a couple shifts. Its not like the corporation needs to keep these specific employees....any employee will do.

thanks for the sincere response.

"if they had better employment opportunities elsewhere they would go," sure, but that also assumes these entry level unskilled temporary workers also have far more economic mobility than they do.

there's a LOT of other systemic obstacles that low-wage workers face, too. It's almost like poverty itself is systemic.

also, it seems quite ironic that the folks who label burger flippers as "unskilled" are also the same folks who can't even make their own lunch for themselves.

I make my own lunch everyday. I'm making dinner currently.

careful bro!

considering the classism you've exhibited, if you keep doing that much unskilled labor then eventually you're gonna start looking down your nose at yourself.

Q likes to use words like "economic mobility" and "classism" as a distraction from the fact that he exhibits no apparent real world knowledge of the labor market.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:11 pm careful bro!

considering the classism you've exhibited, if you keep doing that much unskilled labor then eventually you're gonna start looking down your nose at yourself.

I think its precisely my upbringing and working experience/career that allow me to say what I do without any hesitation. I think you should probably, as with most of your stances, get you're head in it beyond the memes.

yea, tdub and illy must be right.

no doubt all the burger flippers COULD leave their jobs for fat salaried gigs and subsequent lives of luxury and leisure if they felt like it, but they prefer to just remain poor instead.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:22 pm yea, tdub and illy must be right.

no doubt all the burger flippers COULD leave their jobs for fat salaried gigs and subsequent lives of luxury and leisure if they felt like it, but they prefer to just remain poor instead.

this is why your discussions never go anywhere.

You run out of rebuttals to other peoples reasoning and you say fucking ridiculous and inflammatory things designed to deflect the argument away from your failure to grasp the concepts and make successful arguments and instead into a personal battle about who said what and what specifically each word meant.

Congrats, you "win" again...Im out of this conversation too.

no no no no bro.

cuz from my point of view, my discussions never go anywhere cuz of how you neglect to even consider my points, instead preferring to doggedly double down on the status quo

I try to say "maybe we should collectively afford something better for ourselves than a system of such inequality," and your rebuttal is nothing more than "but inequality is just the way the system is," as if there's nothing that could possibly be done about it.

2 centuries ago, you guys would be the guys telling John Brown he shouldn't even bother.

Daily meltdowns. Nonstop nonsense. Talking about "John Brown". He needs a break. Good grief.

I know, right?

Whoda thunk calls for peace and equality would be so controversial?!

This episode again?

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:51 pm Daily meltdowns. Nonstop nonsense. Talking about "John Brown". He needs a break. Good grief.

Holy fuck, this is so classic

Is this related?

Pretty sure this is related.

The Defense Department has failed its fifth-ever audit, unable to account for more than half of its assets, but the effort is being viewed as a “teachable moment,” according to its chief financial officer….

In December 2017, defense officials set out to scrutinize DOD’s books, the first comprehensive audit of the agency in its history. That effort failed the next year, and the four that followed.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3740 ... gress/amp/

There was this old saying: “The difference between an honest and a dishonest politician is that the honest politician stays bought”. Whatever you say about the MIC lobbyists, you can’t fault their ability in tapping of the honest politicians.

Thousands of Teens Are Being Pushed Into Military’s Junior R.O.T.C.

In high schools across the country, students are being placed in military classes without electing them on their own. “The only word I can think of is ‘indoctrination,’” one parent said.

J.R.O.T.C. programs, taught by military veterans at some 3,500 high schools across the country, are supposed to be elective, and the Pentagon has said that requiring students to take them goes against its guidelines. But The New York Times found that thousands of public school students were being funneled into the classes without ever having chosen them, either as an explicit requirement or by being automatically enrolled.

A review of J.R.O.T.C. enrollment data collected from more than 200 public records requests showed that dozens of schools have made the program mandatory or steered more than 75 percent of students in a single grade into the classes, including schools in Detroit, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Oklahoma City and Mobile, Ala. A vast majority of the schools with those high enrollment numbers were attended by a large proportion of nonwhite students and those from low-income households, The Times found.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/11/us/j ... lment.html

As if I wasn’t already enough of a smartass in high school, I can’t even begin to fathom the levels I wooda taken it to if I suddenly had some military dood yelling at me in a class I never signed up for in the first place


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