I should have been clearer in my post.
The CNN factcheck is accurate, as far as I know. Schiff, as the head of his party's contingent on the Intelligence Committee, listened to and entertained the idea of getting nude photos of Trump, because that's his job.
Likewise, it is conceivable that Nunes, then Chairman of the Intelligence Committee, listened to and entertained the idea of learning more about Biden corruption -- BECAUSE THAT'S HIS JOB.
Now, it may be that he did so unethically, or it may be that he did so reasonably and sensibly, which is why I phrased my response as "it may be...or it may not be." Right now, we only have the word of a known con man who is facing serious legal trouble. The "Schiff sought nudes" story sounds damning -- until you know the facts. It may the same with Nunes.
Or it may not be.
Where TF is the Impeachment Inquiry Thread?
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Imjustheretohelpyoubuycrypto
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Strong words from former DOJ Counterintelligence Chief:
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
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A. The Ukraine conspiracy is nuts
B. If you look at the specifics of CrowdStrike, it's even worse and more disheartening to see the Trumpian defamation of the company.
C. Laufman's "strong words" are, nevertheless, completely fucking idiotic and McCarthy-ite
D. The fact that you're celebrating it is example #434,199,099 why Trump is not as bad as it will get.
E. I do, in fact, need a raise.
B. If you look at the specifics of CrowdStrike, it's even worse and more disheartening to see the Trumpian defamation of the company.
C. Laufman's "strong words" are, nevertheless, completely fucking idiotic and McCarthy-ite
D. The fact that you're celebrating it is example #434,199,099 why Trump is not as bad as it will get.
E. I do, in fact, need a raise.
Imjustheretohelpyoubuycrypto
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C. is idiotic. Are you calling Dr Fiona Hill a McCarthyite? The only ones perpetrating the Ukraine involvement lie are those on Putin’s payroll* or sucking up to those on Putin’s payroll*
*on cannot in all certainty rule out whether said parties are being paid or blackmailed
*on cannot in all certainty rule out whether said parties are being paid or blackmailed
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No, you don't accuse people of aiding and abetting the enemy just because they give an uninformed or incorrect opinion/statement. That sets a horrible precedent.zsn wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:35 pm C. is idiotic. Are you calling Dr Fiona Hill a McCarthyite? The only ones perpetrating the Ukraine involvement lie are those on Putin’s payroll* or sucking up to those on Putin’s payroll*
*on cannot in all certainty rule out whether said parties are being paid or blackmailed
With that said - we need something to combat the current environment in which people keep themselves in their information bubble. I am getting increasingly convinced that Democracy doesn't work. But I don't know of any better alternatives.
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True democracy is difficult in a two party system. What we essentially have is an oligarchy disguised as a democracy. People know this and are increasingly tired of it. This is one of the reasons Trump won. Unfortunately that hasnt helped the situation any.
Just Ledoux it
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I would generally agree with you if after the first person who says something is made aware of the fact that their statements are misinformed or incorrect and they stopped saying it. I’m the biggest proponent of “never attribute to malice what you can attribute to ignorance”. In this case the threshold was crossed two years ago.
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Deleted User 89
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i would love to do away with the two-party system, but it would seem that there’s too much money in the DNC and GOP
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Imjustheretohelpyoubuycrypto
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A multiparty system is no cure all either. I have lived under a multiparty democracy and it’s got its own set of problems. You’re just rearranging problems, not necessarily solving much. The real solution will when politicians don’t become too comfortable in their reelection. That and the elimination of the electoral college- places disproportionate value on a vote caste and allows politicians to ignore vast areas
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Deleted User 89
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the EC should have saved us from the ignorance that elected trump
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"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notoriously stupid Congressman <a href="https://twitter.com/DevinNunes?ref_src= ... inNunes</a> reportedly pissed away $57,000 taxpayer dollars on a politicized investigation into <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBiden?ref_src=tw ... oeBiden</a>. What a disgrace. <a href="https://t.co/bcQmUbX6u1">https://t.co/b ... </p>— Tommy Vietor (@TVietor08) <a href=" 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Lemme make sure I understand this: the former spokesman for the Obama/Biden National Security Council thinks it's an obvious and utter waste of time to investigate Joe Biden on national security grounds?
That IS news!
That IS news!
Imjustheretohelpyoubuycrypto
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Ukraine Energy Official Says Giuliani Associates Tried to Recruit Him
Naftogaz executive Andrew Favorov told federal prosecutors that Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman tried to recruit him to help take over Ukraine’s gas company.
Two associates of Rudy Giuliani tried to recruit a top Ukrainian energy official in March in a proposed takeover of the state oil-and-gas company, describing the company’s chief executive and the then-U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch as part of “this Soros cartel” working against President Trump.
“You’re a Republican, right?” Andrew Favorov, the head of natural gas for state-run Naftogaz, recalled the men, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, asking him, after their reference to investor and Democratic donor George Soros. “We want you to be our guy.”
Mr. Favorov said he met voluntarily this week with New York federal prosecutors as part of an investigation into the activities of Messrs. Fruman, Parnas and Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal attorney. Prosecutors last month arrested Messrs. Fruman and Parnas on campaign-finance charges stemming from alleged efforts to leverage political connections and campaign donations—some from foreign donors—to benefit their own business interests and to assist Mr. Giuliani in efforts to oust Ms. Yovanovitch.
In one of his first interviews since meeting with prosecutors, Mr. Favorov described the efforts of Messrs. Fruman and Parnas to enlist his help in an effort to oust Naftogaz CEO Andriy Kobolyev. Naftogaz is the most important company in Ukraine, representing nearly 10% of the country’s gross domestic product and supplying virtually all of the country’s natural gas.
Mr. Favorov said he was bewildered by Messrs. Parnas and Fruman’s pitch to stage a takeover of Naftogaz and put Mr. Favorov in place as CEO. On one hand, the pair appeared to know little about the natural gas business; on the other it was clear to him they had significant political connections.
“They don’t teach you how to deal with this in business school,” Mr. Favorov said.
Following the meeting, Mr. Favorov said he quickly reported the episode to Mr. Kobolyev, his boss, and told the two men he couldn’t be a part of their plans.
A lawyer for Mr. Fruman declined to comment. Ed MacMahon, a lawyer for Mr. Parnas, said the story was “completely false.” Media representatives at Mr. Soros’s Open Society Foundation didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. Mr. Giuliani’s attorney, Robert Costello, said he couldn’t comment on Mr. Favorov’s description of events with Messrs. Parnas and Fruman.
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"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Frank Wilhoit
Frank Wilhoit
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Put Rudy under oath. Now.
Imjustheretohelpyoubuycrypto
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Just an appreciation of the phrase "Notoriously stupid Devin Nunes.
Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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I have to compliment DC on his attempts to normalize Trump and his minions. These days, I have little patience with watching news shows with the back and forth and getting the excuses that Republicans offer up for Trump.
Good to be able to come here and get the summation of the discussions from DC.
Don't inject Lysol.
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I dont for one second believe that being under oath would result in Giuliani making a single truthful statement, or even divulging anything at all. Trump has always used his attorneys to do his dirty work because all conversations they have in regards to it can be covered by attorney client privilege.
But I would love to see it.