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Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:15 pm
by ousdahl
scary!
I wish there was some way we could take steps to avoid nuclear holocaust.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:22 pm
by Cascadia
I’ve only loosely followed this thread but do have a question.
Are they posters on here who think Ukraine is a legitimate democracy?
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:25 pm
by KUTradition
Cascadia wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:22 pm
I’ve only loosely followed this thread but do have a question.
Are they posters on here who think Ukraine is a legitimate democracy?
define legitimate democracy
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:31 pm
by Deleted User 863
ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:15 pm
scary!
I wish there was some way we could take steps to avoid nuclear holocaust.
I hate to break it to you, but it won't be by holding hands and singing taylor swift songs.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:35 pm
by Deleted User 863
KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:25 pm
Cascadia wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:22 pm
I’ve only loosely followed this thread but do have a question.
Are they posters on here who think Ukraine is a legitimate democracy?
define legitimate democracy
Cascadia is usually here to tell everyone Qus is running circles around them. It's no coincidence he's decided to "only loosley follow this thread".
Ukraine has plenty of problems (as does just about every single country on earth). I think we are all well aware.
But Ukraine isn't a threat in the same way Russia is.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:53 pm
by ousdahl
name one other country that has state-recognized militias running around with nazi symbols on their uniforms
or on their flags
or in their elected officials' offices, and painted on the sides of officials' cars
or brings literal nazis to meetings with foreign parliaments
(if there IS such a country, it's...perhaps...Merica? Stand down and stand by, Proud Boy)
then once you do that, please explain why the best course of action here is, and has been, heavily arming these sorts of characters with weapons paid for by none other than you and me.
"but Ukraine isn't a thread in the same way Russia is." Illy's relativism is telling. We've been so conditioned to hate the Ruskies that we're shrugging off literal nazis instead!
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:56 pm
by KUTradition
odd
putin has completely stopped with the nazi rhetoric
wonder why…
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:01 pm
by ousdahl
Cascadia wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:22 pm
I’ve only loosely followed this thread but do have a question.
Are they posters on here who think Ukraine is a legitimate democracy?
bro I've been critical of you before, but this time I've gotta give you credit.
Despite my sustained attempts to try and bring any context or critical analysis of this clusterfuck, and getting absolutely nowhere beyond being repeatedly met with only the gaslighting and blanket dismissals and "this is just good vs bad you gotta pick a side," you actually succeeded in advancing the entire "good vs bad" side of the argument, to one of simple semantics.
Q only wishes he got the discussion to progress as far as "define legitimate democracy."
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:03 pm
by ousdahl
KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:56 pm
odd
putin has completely stopped with the nazi rhetoric
wonder why…
cuz it was bullshit all along?
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:07 pm
by KUTradition
ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:01 pm
Cascadia wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:22 pm
I’ve only loosely followed this thread but do have a question.
Are they posters on here who think Ukraine is a legitimate democracy?
bro I've been critical of you before, but this time I've gotta give you credit.
Despite my sustained attempts to try and bring any context or critical analysis of this clusterfuck, and getting absolutely nowhere beyond being repeatedly met with only the gaslighting and blanket dismissals and "this is just good vs bad you gotta pick a side," you actually succeeded in advancing the entire "good vs bad" side of the argument, to one of simple semantics.
Q only wishes he got the discussion to progress as far as "define legitimate democracy."
so, define it
then, and be explicit, provide examples of democracies the two of you think are “legitimate” as well as examples that aren’t
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:08 pm
by KUTradition
ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:03 pm
KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:56 pm
odd
putin has completely stopped with the nazi rhetoric
wonder why…
cuz it was bullshit all along?
dunno
maybe confer with your social media crystal balls
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:10 pm
by KUTradition
it’d be nice if you could at least make an effort to answer my questions
i’ve done that for you
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:10 pm
by Mjl
Ous: You're just picking sides and have no facts! I saw this thing in my Twitter feed so it is an actual fact!
Others: present facts, ask him to back up his with sources or an overall point
Ous: ignores facts, repeats self.
Repeat the above and you have this thread
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:12 pm
by KUTradition
pretty much
what’s frustrating is actually providing legit sources that seem to be completely ignored or dismissed as western propaganda
i guess twitter and instagram are waaaay more reputable sources
Ousie, i’ve got some ivermectin for you when you’re ready
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:17 pm
by ousdahl
KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:07 pm
ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:01 pm
Cascadia wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:22 pm
I’ve only loosely followed this thread but do have a question.
Are they posters on here who think Ukraine is a legitimate democracy?
bro I've been critical of you before, but this time I've gotta give you credit.
Despite my sustained attempts to try and bring any context or critical analysis of this clusterfuck, and getting absolutely nowhere beyond being repeatedly met with only the gaslighting and blanket dismissals and "this is just good vs bad you gotta pick a side," you actually succeeded in advancing the entire "good vs bad" side of the argument, to one of simple semantics.
Q only wishes he got the discussion to progress as far as "define legitimate democracy."
so, define it
then, and be explicit, provide examples of democracies the two of you think are “legitimate” as well as examples that aren’t
for whatever this is worth...
https://www.jta.org/2022/04/06/global/z ... ussias-war
Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s Jewish president, said his country will look more like Israel, a democracy on constant military alert, than like their more relaxed European neighbors, given the prospect of long-term tensions with Russia.
“We will become a ‘big Israel’ with its own face,” Zelensky said Tuesday at a briefing for Ukrainian media, Haaretz reported. “We will not be surprised if we have representatives of the armed forces or the national guard in cinemas, supermarkets, and people with weapons...
Zelensky clarified that he was not anticipating an autocracy. “An authoritarian state would lose to Russia,” he said. “People know what they are fighting for.”...
“Ukraine will definitely not be what we wanted it to be from the beginning. It is impossible,” Zelensky said. “Absolutely liberal, European – it will not be like that. It will definitely come from the strength of every house, every building, every person.”
a few thoughts:
- if that's the likely future of Ukraine "given the tension of long-term tensions with Russia," you'd think they and we would collectively want to avoid long-term tensions with Russia, and broker peace sooner than later, please?
- I'm not sure what he means by distinguishing armed forces in cinemas and supermarkets with an
actual "autocracy." Cuz that shit sounds like, pretty authoritarian, don't it?
- either way, this sounds like politician talk for ushering in some sorta right wing militant ethno-nationalist state, don't it? Is THAT a legitimate democracy?
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:17 pm
by ousdahl
KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:10 pm
it’d be nice if you could at least make an effort to answer my questions
i’ve done that for you
what questions do you want me to answer? Or answer more thoroughly? I feel like I'm responding in good faith here. What am I missing?
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:18 pm
by ousdahl
Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:10 pm
Ous: You're just picking sides and have no facts! I saw this thing in my Twitter feed so it is an actual fact!
Others: present facts, ask him to back up his with sources or an overall point
Ous: ignores facts, repeats self.
Repeat the above and you have this thread
and yet, when I asked you a bunch of questions yesterday, you made no attempt to response, but instead took your ball and went home with a response of nothing more than, "I'm done."
Glad you still stuck around anyway, though.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:21 pm
by ousdahl
KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:12 pm
pretty much
what’s frustrating is actually providing legit sources that seem to be completely ignored or dismissed as western propaganda
i guess twitter and instagram are waaaay more reputable sources
Ousie, i’ve got some ivermectin for you when you’re ready
what legit sources? you pointing that Putin MIGHT want to continue invading other places, admitting there's no actual evidence of as much, then assuring some experts somewhere totally think that anyway?
what if that IS western propaganda?
what sources am I ignoring or dismissing? the same old "Ukraine good Russia bad" rhetoric links you apparently aren't able to see through as propaganda itself?
cuz again, YOURE THE MOTHERFUCKERS DOWNPLAYING NAZISM. LIKE LITERAL NAZISM. What what mjl's grandparents think of you guys?
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:24 pm
by KUTradition
who downplayed it and how, exactly?
and i’ve posted numerous sources here, as well as sending them to you privately
does Ukraine have an internal problem with Nazis? most likely yes
does that mean they deserve putin’s wrath? no
but we’ve already been over this…pages ago
it’s fine. you do you…i’m done for today
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:25 pm
by KUTradition
off the deep end, with no realistic goal in sight