Kansas Crimson

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:01 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:45 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Wrong thread dummy. Start a new thread for your bullshit.

Maybe other people in your life think you’re worth jumping for when you bark, but I’m not one of them. Simple words like “please” and “would you mind” go a long way when dealing with your peers rather than your underlings.

Maybe where you come from acting like a horse's ass has no consequences and no one responds to you. Following the rules and not being a giant prick go a lot further than being a petulant child who cries like a bitch when he gets confronted.

Would you two "MIND" "PLEASE" taking your spat to the Sat Coord bored Behind QT thread?

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:10 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:01 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:45 am

Maybe other people in your life think you’re worth jumping for when you bark, but I’m not one of them. Simple words like “please” and “would you mind” go a long way when dealing with your peers rather than your underlings.

Maybe where you come from acting like a horse's ass has no consequences and no one responds to you. Following the rules and not being a giant prick go a lot further than being a petulant child who cries like a bitch when he gets confronted.

Would you two "MIND" "PLEASE" taking your spat to the Sat Coord bored Behind QT thread?

Post on topic gutter. This thread is about coronavirus only. Thanks for understanding buddy.

How Will the COVID Pills Change the Pandemic?
New antiviral drugs are startlingly effective against the coronavirus—if they’re taken in time.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyor ... ndemic/amp

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:01 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:45 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Wrong thread dummy. Start a new thread for your bullshit.

Maybe other people in your life think you’re worth jumping for when you bark, but I’m not one of them. Simple words like “please” and “would you mind” go a long way when dealing with your peers rather than your underlings.

Maybe where you come from acting like a horse's ass has no consequences and no one responds to you. Following the rules and not being a giant prick go a lot further than being a petulant child who cries like a bitch when he gets confronted.

There’s only one horse’s ass in this story, and you see him every time you look in the mirror. I broke no rules other than inadvertently annoying you. Apologize for overreacting and being a pompous ass like an adult.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:25 am How Will the COVID Pills Change the Pandemic?
New antiviral drugs are startlingly effective against the coronavirus—if they’re taken in time.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyor ... ndemic/amp

Well here we go, Both Merck and Pfizer have drugs that when used during tests have allowed zero deaths. Zero???

There are studies that have the vaccines wearing off at six months. Hence get a booster. Is the booster for the delta or cause your vaccine is no longer effective. How many vaccinated people have died??
Are the vaccines 100% effective???????? Is the delta variant the cause of the spike or is it caused more from vaccine being less effective over time???? If vaccinated then you have zero percent chance of death from covid?????? You do have less chance of being hospitalized so you have that.

The problem is the vaccine is not the silver bullet. These drugs they the silver bullet.

No vaccine is 100% effective. This pill won't be either. Stop thinking like that. Lots of vaccines require boosters, that doesn't mean they're not effective. Tetanus vaccines are great, they require boosters, your dog's rabies vaccine is incredibly safe and effective, it requires boosters. Boosters are a good thing, not a problem. If your immunity protection dips to something like 65% protective and you can boost it back up to ~90% that's a good thing.

The vaccine booster is the same, which is still very protective against Delta, though not as good as to the original virus. They'd have to redo clinical trials if they changed the sequence to match delta.

Vaccines are always better than medicines. It's better to prevent an illness than to treat it after the fact.

The vaccine significantly reduces your chances of getting the virus, getting sick from the virus, dying and spreading the virus if you do get it. And there is a synergy that occurs when more people are vaccinated.

The polio vaccine and smallpox vaccine were about 90% effective and they got rid of both those viruses because everyone got vaccinated.

Brushing your teeth doesn't prevent cavities 100% of the time and you have to do it multiple times every day.

Antibiotics aren't 100% effective and you usually have to take multiple doses over several days, but they've saved millions of lives.

Lazer eye surgery doesn't fix everyone's eye site and eyesight gets bad again over time and you need to get it redone.

No one considers these things failures.

Do people freak out when they buy a car and then find out they need to change the oil periodically and that it might not run as well at 200,000 miles than when it was new?

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:51 am Do people freak out when they buy a car and then find out they need to change the oil periodically and that it might not run as well at 200,000 miles than when it was new?

Nope not at all. Probably cause they bought a TELSA.

Focus on my last sentence. The silver bullet part. The zero death part.

hartjack8 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:59 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:51 am Do people freak out when they buy a car and then find out they need to change the oil periodically and that it might not run as well at 200,000 miles than when it was new?

Nope not at all. Probably cause they bought a TELSA.

Focus on my last sentence. The silver bullet part. The zero death part.

I think you are right. The way forward will be a combination of vaccines to keep down the severity of the illness and palliative medicines to knock out what remains. The vaccines have not turned out to be what Fauci et al were trying to sell the public, but they still seem to help - at least in the short term.

hartjack8 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:59 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:51 am Do people freak out when they buy a car and then find out they need to change the oil periodically and that it might not run as well at 200,000 miles than when it was new?

Nope not at all. Probably cause they bought a TELSA.

Focus on my last sentence. The silver bullet part. The zero death part.

There were zero deaths during the vaccine trials too. If you test it on 2,000 people and no one dies, that won't hold up when you move it to 2 million.

But, that doesn't mean it doesn't work. If this medicine significantly reduces lethality that's wonderful.

But again, it's better to reduce your chances of getting sick in the first place. And it's better to reduce your chances of transmitting it to someone else before you even develop symptoms. Vaccines do that.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:16 pm

hartjack8 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:59 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:51 am Do people freak out when they buy a car and then find out they need to change the oil periodically and that it might not run as well at 200,000 miles than when it was new?

Nope not at all. Probably cause they bought a TELSA.

Focus on my last sentence. The silver bullet part. The zero death part.

I think you are right. The way forward will be a combination of vaccines to keep down the severity of the illness and palliative medicines to knock out what remains. The vaccines have not turned out to be what Fauci et al were trying to sell the public, but they still seem to help - at least in the short term.

Be honest about it though. They were as good as advertised on the original virus. The efficacy dropped with the delta variant, but is still pretty good. We saw what happened in the summer, before delta became a problem in the US.

And the virus information is happening in real time. As great as the initial data was, I don't think Fauci or anyone promised lifetime immunity. In fact, at least about length of efficacy they were pretty up front that a booster or second type of vaccine may be necessary.

This was true of polio. Salk's vaccine was great, but they developed improved versions over time.

These drugs are great, and there will continue to be breakthrough infections, so it's good to have a secondary line of defense, but this isn't a reason not to be vaccinated.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:01 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:16 pm

hartjack8 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:59 pm

Nope not at all. Probably cause they bought a TELSA.

Focus on my last sentence. The silver bullet part. The zero death part.

I think you are right. The way forward will be a combination of vaccines to keep down the severity of the illness and palliative medicines to knock out what remains. The vaccines have not turned out to be what Fauci et al were trying to sell the public, but they still seem to help - at least in the short term.

Be honest about it though. They were as good as advertised on the original virus. The efficacy dropped with the delta variant, but is still pretty good. We saw what happened in the summer, before delta became a problem in the US.

And the virus information is happening in real time. As great as the initial data was, I don't think Fauci or anyone promised lifetime immunity. In fact, at least about length of efficacy they were pretty up front that a booster or second type of vaccine may be necessary.

This was true of polio. Salk's vaccine was great, but they developed improved versions over time.

These drugs are great, and there will continue to be breakthrough infections, so it's good to have a secondary line of defense, but this isn't a reason not to be vaccinated.

I don’t discount that. It has been a fluid situation from Day One. And as I said, being vaccinated still seems more beneficial than not being vaccinated.

The vaccines have not turned out to be what Fauci et al were trying to sell the public…

based on?

you just can’t help but make shit up, can you, lobs?

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:56 am The vaccines have not turned out to be what Fauci et al were trying to sell the public…

based on?

you just can’t help but make shit up, can you, lobs?

Based on all of the "facts" and directives that turned out not to be accurate that he has bee slinging for over a year now.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:15 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:56 am The vaccines have not turned out to be what Fauci et al were trying to sell the public…

based on?

you just can’t help but make shit up, can you, lobs?

Based on all of the "facts" and directives that turned out not to be accurate that he has bee slinging for over a year now.

aka, you’ve got nothin and are just making shit up

50 years from now they will look at this episode as one of the greatest clusterphucques in the history of the world. the world has phucqued this up at every turn.

if i wasn't living it, i wouldn't believe it.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:28 am 50 years from now they will look at this episode as one of the greatest clusterphucques in the history of the world. the world has phucqued this up at every turn.

if i wasn't living it, i wouldn't believe it.

and the US has largely been leading the way in ways to fuck this up, followed closely by Brazil and others

Fauci hasn't been perfect. But the majority of the fuck ups are from not listening to his advice rather than listening to it.

This is also a new pathogen. There aren't decades of research that you can rely on. So, they asked you to wash your hands and disinfect common surfaces, because they thought it could be transmitted through fomites, we now know that's probably an infrequent route of transmission. So, I'm sorry you had to wash your hands a few extra times. That's not even a mistake, it was just being cautious.

They should not have advised against wearing masks, but as soon as they discovered there were such a large portion of symptomatic carriers, they changed the stance. Neither SARS1 nor MERS had asymptomatic carriers, so they didn't have a reason initially to assume this one did.

The virus is an RNA virus, they mutate quickly, even faster when millions of people are infected globally, not sure how that's fucking things up.

Otherwise, the what have been the big fuck ups, suggesting people drink bleach? Suggesting people shove UV lights up their asses? insisting that anti-parasitic drugs were a cure when all the clinical trials said otherwise? I mean, plexi-glass dividers don't work as well as we'd like, but were you hurt in any way because your grocery store installed some?

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:24 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:15 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:56 am The vaccines have not turned out to be what Fauci et al were trying to sell the public…

based on?

you just can’t help but make shit up, can you, lobs?

Based on all of the "facts" and directives that turned out not to be accurate that he has bee slinging for over a year now.

aka, you’ve got nothin and are just making shit up

Okay, Dick. Whatever you say.