Kansas Crimson

Maybe youre thinking of water softeners?

City water all ia distributed from the same source. If youre talking about seperating water uses per fixture youre talking a complete overhaul of distribution infrastructure and complete plumbing overhaul of every single house and building.

I’ve never used well water, so I’m guessing people employ additional purification. Good to know. Although one person who I know had well water had a purifier at their kitchen outlet.

That’s what I was thinking. No need for new distribution lines. Just add one or two purification units inside the house. We only purify a few hundred liters in the house rather than centrally purifying billions of liters only to, literally, flush it down the drain.

That still doesnt cut down on quantity used.

Also, a lot of water is pretty unsanitary before it goes through the water treatment plant. I dont think you want to shower or wash clothes or run a dishwasher with it. So your only talking toilets and hose bibs at that point.

As for wells, I'm sure some areas need it. But in total Ive been on a well for about 25 years (the last 15 and the first 10...the time in the middle was city water. Ive never had a purifier.

My brother in law and father in law work/worked in water treatment plants. You don't want to wash your clothes in untreated water.

There is also a giant safety issue with untreated water.

zsn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:39 pm Actually I think the way we distribute potable water in major (and most minor) population centers is part of the problem. There’s no reason for every drop of water entering my house to meet the highest quality potable standards when I use maybe 5-10% for drinking and cooking. The rest is used for landscaping, sanitation (toilets), cleaning (washing clothes and dishes) and showers.

How much actual clean water and energy we would save if we provided water to lower potability standards and two point of use water purifiers per household? Isn’t that kind of the practice for people who use well water?

The simpler solution is to use two systems for water disposal. You can reuse greywater ( water from showers, non-kitchen sinks, laundry ) for use in toilets and for irrigation of landscaping.

https://www.buildwithrise.com/stories/toilet-tank-sink

https://aces.nmsu.edu/pubs/_m/M106/welcome.html

Also, i drink out of the hose a fair amount. So, youre down to toilets only.

On that note some buildings in that I worked on in Seattle did start using gray water for their toilets and urinals. Its currently an expensive and involved process. Theres a lot of debate about its merit va effort.

but it would be so far too difficult to just stop building golf courses in deserts.

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:22 am Also, i drink out of the hose a fair amount. So, youre down to toilets only.

And what about the dogs and cats that get some water sips from the toilet on occasion? There'd be outrage if Karen's miniature dachshund died from nasty toilet water.

No way a wiener dog could be tall enough to get over a toilet bowl

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:38 am but it would be so far too difficult to just stop building golf courses in deserts.

They/we shouldn't have to.

You're talking about such a small part of the issue and are already suggesting banning golf courses in certain areas. What about all the people who are employed in that industry? Fuck em huh?

It's amazing how quickly people (you) are willing to dismiss things that aren't important to them (you) personally.


If you looked into some of the worldwide trends of golf course designers/superintendents/etc you would know that sustainability and being "green"/leaving a smaller footprint are huge initiatives in the golf industry. Everything from water sustainability/recycling, to providing natural areas for wildlife, to reduced mowing areas to cut down on gas consumption. They're trying to do their part.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:20 am No way a wiener dog could be tall enough to get over a toilet bowl

Not without that homegoods step stool that Karen bought

rich people golf. golf is bad.

How sad is it that folks can’t even address things like water - water! - without other folks reducing it to some kinda class warfare.

I don't have a lot of experience with golf courses, other than having owned a home on a golf corse in Southern California.

I could, however, see the massive amounts of water that was applied to the greens, as well as the landscaping.

In casual conversation with the maintenance management, I was able to find out that virtually none of the water dumped onto the hundreds of golf courses in the Coachella Valley makes it back to the aquifer.

Water out, water not back in= unsustainable.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:29 am How sad is it that folks can’t even address things like water - water! - without other folks reducing it to some kinda class warfare.

Pot meet kettle

Also not sure how we got on the topic on the type of water golf courses use. That is entirely missing the point. I dont care if they use potable or non potable.....they ARE using water. Thats the problem. In the desert youre using water that shouldn't exist, even if it sinks into the ground youre putting it on the ground and disrupting where that water should be going. Youre using water that could be used as potable water elsewhere. All water can become potable.....this is a non point - point.

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:00 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:29 am How sad is it that folks can’t even address things like water - water! - without other folks reducing it to some kinda class warfare.

Pot meet kettle

I’m trying to gain what perspective I can from this.

I don’t mean to be all classist or whatever, but I doubt mich is either.

If there is some difference in our approaches, it’s that one of us wants to address the issue despite implications of class, and the other seems to want to dismiss the issue because of implications of class?

Or somethin.

If you’d like to clarify, please do.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:10 am

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:00 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:29 am How sad is it that folks can’t even address things like water - water! - without other folks reducing it to some kinda class warfare.

Pot meet kettle

I’m trying to gain what perspective I can from this.

I don’t mean to be all classist or whatever, but I doubt mich is either.

If there is some difference in our approaches, it’s that one of us wants to address the issue despite implications of class, and the other seems to want to dismiss the issue because of implications of class?

Or somethin.

If you’d like to clarify, please do.

You turn every single discussion into some version of classism and rich vs poor. Every single one.

even the weather thread?