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Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:40 pm
by MICHHAWK
have no fear. 4 years from now a demonrat will be back in the white house. and once again "waste" will be the govt's national pastime.

the "less" waste is just temporary.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:51 pm
by pdub
my brother could loose his job - he is not a waste to me.
if he does consider yourself wasted from kcrim.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:53 pm
by Overlander
MICHHAWK wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:40 pm have no fear. 4 years from now a demonrat will be back in the white house. and once again "waste" will be the govt's national pastime.

the "less" waste is just temporary.
So insightful, as usual.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:59 pm
by Sparko
Every dollar diverted to wealthy Americans hurts the larger economy over and over. The "waste" they find is money not yet diverted to the wealthy.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:04 pm
by pdub
We think one of the world's richest men, who at best just likes trolling half of the country he represents, and at worst believes in nazi principles, should be in charge of privatizing our government?

Do we think that maybe, perhaps, he, and trump, have 'ulterior'/selfish motives?

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:26 pm
by pdub
twocoach wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:20 pm Thousands of U.S. Government Web Pages Have Been Taken Down Since Friday

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/02/upsh ... pages.html
"Deleting gobs of public data/resources as well is the digital equivalent of book burning."

"Phillips suggests that journalists, researchers, community groups or independent citizens should try to safeguard content that’s important to them, downloading copies of important information or datasets."

https://www.salon.com/2025/02/04/as-the ... o-save-it/

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:31 pm
by jfish26
MICHHAWK wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:40 pm 4 years from now a demonrat will be back in the white house
Did the Supreme Court structure its newly-created immunity doctrine in a way that suggests the R majority anticipates there ever being a D-majority Court?

Are Congressional Rs acting in a way that anticipates there being ballot box accountability in 2026?

Is Trump acting in a way that anticipates there being ballot box accountability in 2028?

There are...checks notes...three branches of our government. All three are controlled by Republicans.

None of the three is acting as if control will ever change hands.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:36 pm
by pdub
pdub wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:04 pm We think one of the world's richest men, who at best just likes trolling half of the country he represents, and at worst believes in nazi principles, should be in charge of privatizing our government?

Do we think that maybe, perhaps, he, and trump, have 'ulterior'/selfish motives?
Also, once again, who elected this guy?
Why is this shit stain of a dude allowed to do this freely?
Can you imagine the outrage from the republicans base if, i dunno, Stephen Wozniak did the equivalent of this in Harris's first 2 weeks?

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:50 pm
by jfish26
pdub wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:36 pm
pdub wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:04 pm We think one of the world's richest men, who at best just likes trolling half of the country he represents, and at worst believes in nazi principles, should be in charge of privatizing our government?

Do we think that maybe, perhaps, he, and trump, have 'ulterior'/selfish motives?
Also, once again, who elected this guy?
Why is this shit stain of a dude allowed to do this freely?
Can you imagine the outrage from the republicans base if, i dunno, Stephen Wozniak did the equivalent of this in Harris's first 2 weeks?
The dipshit brigade's code meddling would be referred to as an antifa takeover of our entire government.

We would - and this is not a joke - see serious people make serious calls for military intervention.

And it would probably happen.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:31 pm
by jfish26
jfish26 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:31 pm
MICHHAWK wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:40 pm 4 years from now a demonrat will be back in the white house
Did the Supreme Court structure its newly-created immunity doctrine in a way that suggests the R majority anticipates there ever being a D-majority Court?

Are Congressional Rs acting in a way that anticipates there being ballot box accountability in 2026?

Is Trump acting in a way that anticipates there being ballot box accountability in 2028?

There are...checks notes...three branches of our government. All three are controlled by Republicans.

None of the three is acting as if control will ever change hands.
Just to circle the square here.

If the Supreme Court (controlled by Republican appointees, including three of Trump's own) decides against Trump - say, on the nakedly unconstitutional birthright citizenship EO, or the nakedly illegal impoundment EO - and Trump simply says, "neat" and more-or-less carries on anyway...there is a single guardrail left: impeachment and removal.*

Impeachment requires a House majority. The Republicans control the House.

Removal requires a Senate supermajority (2/3). The Republicans control the Senate.

Only then - and, even then, only if the R-controlled Court doesn't somehow retcon its ludicrous immunity ruling into another brand-new rule that as a legal matter it is not possible for a President to have been (for impeachment and removal purposes) convicted at all of a "high crime [or] misdemeanor" - is there even any hope that the military would no longer recognize Trump as Commander in Chief, and would enforce the Senate's conviction.

If the military does enforce the Senate's conviction, then you can expect widespread disruption (and the survival of our country is in the balance).

If the military does NOT enforce the Senate's conviction, then you can expect widespread disruption (and the Constitution will have become, effectively, dead letter).

We're so awash in news that this isn't being seen very clearly. But for all its procedural jibber-jabber, it's not complicated at all.

These were the stakes of the 2024 election.

Stakes that didn't seem to matter, against the price of eggs or whatever else.

* By far the LIKELIEST outcome (on any near-term hypo) is that the Court rules against Trump, Trump says "neat" and more-or-less carries on, and there aren't votes enough for impeachment to carry the House. My opinion is that such a fact pattern makes the Constitution damn close to dead letter.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:32 pm
by Overlander
The warnings for the end of our Democracy (which I kept shouting) are in fact before us.