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Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:14 pm
by PhDhawk
TDub wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:41 pm
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:34 pm
TDub wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:11 pm
the dirt clods working back into the soil isn't bad. The soil gets compacted over time, aeration opens up the soil so that oxygen, nitrogen, and water can penetrate deeper and allow the grass roots to extend further into the soil. the dirt pellets breaking down and working into the soil is fine. The point isn't to remove soil but to decompact/relax it.
Right, so if you want to decompact/relax, shouldn't you remove the pellets? You want softer soil, it's compacted, you put holes in it, it loosens it, the pellets break down, work back in, and then your soil is compacted again.
No. Those plugs will break down and reintegrate into the soil within a couple weeks. When they breakdown they will release the nutrients stored within the organic layers of the dirt back into your lawn. You want to leave them.
That's what big Aeration wants you to think.
Their way, you have to get your lawn aerated every other year.
With my way, the lawn is now decompacted forever because there's less dirt compacting it. Aerate once and never have to do it again.
Soon as I develop the pellet vacuuming technology I'll be rich.
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:30 pm
by Deleted User 863
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:14 pm
TDub wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:41 pm
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:34 pm
Right, so if you want to decompact/relax, shouldn't you remove the pellets? You want softer soil, it's compacted, you put holes in it, it loosens it, the pellets break down, work back in, and then your soil is compacted again.
No. Those plugs will break down and reintegrate into the soil within a couple weeks. When they breakdown they will release the nutrients stored within the organic layers of the dirt back into your lawn. You want to leave them.
That's what big Aeration wants you to think.
Their way, you have to get your lawn aerated every other year.
With my way, the lawn is now decompacted forever because there's less dirt compacting it. Aerate once and never have to do it again.
Soon as I develop the pellet vacuuming technology I'll be rich.
Some golf courses (at least nice ones) have a machine that sucks up the pellets. Not sure it'd work very well on yard grass, but works well on greens and fairways.
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:34 pm
by TDub
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:30 pm
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:14 pm
TDub wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:41 pm
No. Those plugs will break down and reintegrate into the soil within a couple weeks. When they breakdown they will release the nutrients stored within the organic layers of the dirt back into your lawn. You want to leave them.
That's what big Aeration wants you to think.
Their way, you have to get your lawn aerated every other year.
With my way, the lawn is now decompacted forever because there's less dirt compacting it. Aerate once and never have to do it again.
Soon as I develop the pellet vacuuming technology I'll be rich.
Some golf courses (at least nice ones) have a machine that sucks up the pellets. Not sure it'd work very well on yard grass, but works well on greens and fairways.
they do that on golf courses to keep a more playable surface. they dont need the extra nutrients because they fertilize and water constantly.
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:35 pm
by TDub
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:14 pm
TDub wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:41 pm
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:34 pm
Right, so if you want to decompact/relax, shouldn't you remove the pellets? You want softer soil, it's compacted, you put holes in it, it loosens it, the pellets break down, work back in, and then your soil is compacted again.
No. Those plugs will break down and reintegrate into the soil within a couple weeks. When they breakdown they will release the nutrients stored within the organic layers of the dirt back into your lawn. You want to leave them.
That's what big Aeration wants you to think.
Their way, you have to get your lawn aerated every other year.
With my way, the lawn is now decompacted forever because there's less dirt compacting it. Aerate once and never have to do it again.
Soon as I develop the pellet vacuuming technology I'll be rich.
so you've been bought off by Scott's fertilizer I see
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:49 pm
by Deleted User 863
TDub wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:34 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:30 pm
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:14 pm
That's what big Aeration wants you to think.
Their way, you have to get your lawn aerated every other year.
With my way, the lawn is now decompacted forever because there's less dirt compacting it. Aerate once and never have to do it again.
Soon as I develop the pellet vacuuming technology I'll be rich.
Some golf courses (at least nice ones) have a machine that sucks up the pellets. Not sure it'd work very well on yard grass, but works well on greens and fairways.
they do that on golf courses to keep a more playable surface. they dont need the extra nutrients because they fertilize and water constantly.
Correct.
Although we actually used the pellets for things when i was working on golf courses. The pellets were good for filling in wear and tear spots near cart paths where we needed to regrow grass.
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:29 pm
by PhDhawk
TDub wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:35 pm
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:14 pm
TDub wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:41 pm
No. Those plugs will break down and reintegrate into the soil within a couple weeks. When they breakdown they will release the nutrients stored within the organic layers of the dirt back into your lawn. You want to leave them.
That's what big Aeration wants you to think.
Their way, you have to get your lawn aerated every other year.
With my way, the lawn is now decompacted forever because there's less dirt compacting it. Aerate once and never have to do it again.
Soon as I develop the pellet vacuuming technology I'll be rich.
so you've been bought off by Scott's fertilizer I see
I'm a celebrity spokesman for them.
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:53 am
by shindig
yeah, I'm not convinced it does much, but since he already had it, I figured I'd give it a shot. I've had professional lawn companies come out and aerate, but I was always at work (pre-COVID) and didn't realize how much work it was. My front yard isn't great, but it's still pretty green but has some yellow areas that just burned up. And my soil is pretty clayish, it just cracks when it gets really dry.
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:55 am
by MICHHAWK
it's hard work to have a nice lawn.
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:02 am
by shindig
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:55 am
it's hard work to have a nice lawn.
Yes it is. Mid-summer is the worst because you have to water it so much and I don't have a sprinkler system, so I try to water it in the morning 3-4 days a week. One of my neighbors does have a sprinkler system and he waters twice a day, every day. His yard is very green and thick.
Part of my issue is I have a huge 90 year old Oak tree in my front yard (it's between the sidewalk and curb) and it sucks up a ton of water, plus I have a small dogwood tree that also seems to like its water. So the yard always gets dry after a day, plus all the asshole squirrels that constantly dig, it's almost impossible to have a really nice yard in my neighborhood.
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:12 am
by Deleted User 89
lawns are so silly...especially fur those that bag the cuttings and then fertilize
dumb
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:36 am
by TDub
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:12 am
lawns are so silly...especially fur those that bag the cuttings and then fertilize
dumb
if you cut frequently enough you should never bag the cuttings.
I usually bag because I dont always get to it in time to leave it....but I tske the clippings and put it in with the chickens and ducks and feed on top of it...let them turn it for me and fertilize it and eventually pull it back out as some nice composted dirt
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:38 am
by Deleted User 89
TDub wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:36 am
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:12 am
lawns are so silly...especially fur those that bag the cuttings and then fertilize
dumb
if you cut frequently enough you should never bag the cuttings.
I usually bag because I dont always get to it in time to leave it....but I tske the clippings and put it in with the chickens and ducks and feed on top of it...let them turn it for me and fertilize it and eventually pull it back out as some nice composted dirt
yeah, yours is not the behavior i was attempting to reference
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:40 am
by TDub
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:38 am
TDub wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:36 am
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:12 am
lawns are so silly...especially fur those that bag the cuttings and then fertilize
dumb
if you cut frequently enough you should never bag the cuttings.
I usually bag because I dont always get to it in time to leave it....but I tske the clippings and put it in with the chickens and ducks and feed on top of it...let them turn it for me and fertilize it and eventually pull it back out as some nice composted dirt
yeah, yours is not the behavior i was attempting to reference
yea I know...I just like talking about something non political or covid related. ha
I never fertilize...too much a pain in the ass, too many animals potentially impacted...and really its unnecessary if you do other things and let it happen naturally. I also don't need a pristine lawn so....theres that
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:45 am
by Deleted User 89
TDub wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:40 am
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:38 am
TDub wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:36 am
if you cut frequently enough you should never bag the cuttings.
I usually bag because I dont always get to it in time to leave it....but I tske the clippings and put it in with the chickens and ducks and feed on top of it...let them turn it for me and fertilize it and eventually pull it back out as some nice composted dirt
yeah, yours is not the behavior i was attempting to reference
yea I know...I just like talking about something non political or covid related. ha
I never fertilize...too much a pain in the ass, too many animals potentially impacted...and really its unnecessary if you do other things and let it happen naturally. I also don't need a pristine lawn so....theres that
gotcha
i’d love nothing more than to do away with our lawn. landlords suck (shout out to Ousie lol)
the only benefit to having grass, imo, is for the pups. otherwise, it’s more work than it’s worth, particularly in the desert (obviously). fortunately, with the drought and our attempts to water “just enough” to keep it from dying, ive been able to maintain what we’ve got with just the weed-eater.
the plan is to nearly completely re-do the back “yard” into garden space so that the only grass is in the front. we’ll see what our nearly absent landlord has to say...
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:52 am
by jhawks99
My dad was obsessed with having a nice lawn. True Green, sprinkler system, mowing and bagging. All of it. He was jealous of yards nicer than his, there were two in our neighborhood nicer than his, and judgmental of those not as nice has his.
I caught the bug a little, I fertilize in the spring and fall, seed in the fall and cut often without bagging. Haven't had to water this summer with all the rain we've had. We have two giant trees in our really small front yard and it doesn't get much sun so the grass is there, but grows really slowly. Back yard gets full sun and is thicker and grows faster. There's some clover and a dandelion or two, but it mostly looks pretty good.
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:58 am
by Deleted User 89
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:52 am
My dad was obsessed with having a nice lawn. True Green, sprinkler system, mowing and bagging. All of it. He was jealous of yards nicer than his, there were two in our neighborhood nicer than his, and judgmental of those not as nice has his.
I caught the bug a little, I fertilize in the spring and fall, seed in the fall and cut often without bagging. Haven't had to water this summer with all the rain we've had. We have two giant trees in our really small front yard and it doesn't get much sun so the grass is there, but grows really slowly. Back yard gets full sun and is thicker and grows faster. There's some clover and a dandelion or two, but it mostly looks pretty good.
1) why do you fertilize?
2) have you ever gone a year/season without doing so? if so, how’d it go?
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:12 am
by PhDhawk
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:12 am
lawns are so silly...especially fur those that bag the cuttings and then fertilize
dumb
My lawn is native grass, it's not as green or as soft, but I never have to water. I always mulch.
Only bad thing I do is usually apply a dose of weed/crab grass inhibitor in the late winter/spring time of year, because if I don't I get a shit load of noxious weeds that cause all kinds of problems.
In my previous home, it came with sprinklers and I had neighbors who cared a great deal (lived near a country club), so I'd water and stuff. But, I have (a lighter shade of) green grass most of the time not counting winter without the added cost or guilt of wasting water now and it's a lot better.
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:19 am
by shindig
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:58 am
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:52 am
My dad was obsessed with having a nice lawn. True Green, sprinkler system, mowing and bagging. All of it. He was jealous of yards nicer than his, there were two in our neighborhood nicer than his, and judgmental of those not as nice has his.
I caught the bug a little, I fertilize in the spring and fall, seed in the fall and cut often without bagging. Haven't had to water this summer with all the rain we've had. We have two giant trees in our really small front yard and it doesn't get much sun so the grass is there, but grows really slowly. Back yard gets full sun and is thicker and grows faster. There's some clover and a dandelion or two, but it mostly looks pretty good.
1) why do you fertilize?
2) have you ever gone a year/season without doing so? if so, how’d it go?
The only fertilizer I use is Milorganite, which is basically sewage from the Milwaukee treatment plant. It's slow release and won't burn your yard. I only use it a few times a year.
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:59 am
by jhawks99
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:58 am
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:52 am
My dad was obsessed with having a nice lawn. True Green, sprinkler system, mowing and bagging. All of it. He was jealous of yards nicer than his, there were two in our neighborhood nicer than his, and judgmental of those not as nice has his.
I caught the bug a little, I fertilize in the spring and fall, seed in the fall and cut often without bagging. Haven't had to water this summer with all the rain we've had. We have two giant trees in our really small front yard and it doesn't get much sun so the grass is there, but grows really slowly. Back yard gets full sun and is thicker and grows faster. There's some clover and a dandelion or two, but it mostly looks pretty good.
1) why do you fertilize?
2) have you ever gone a year/season without doing so? if so, how’d it go?
This is our 2nd summer here, it was in bad shape when we moved in. Better now.
Re: The Great Outdoors
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:40 am
by Deleted User 89